Talk:The Cars (album)

The Cars (album) was nominated as a Music good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (October 17, 2014). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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Adding lead vocal credits

I generally dislike splitting up the flow of the track listing with full-sized individual song notes, preferring to leave them to the end. There are very few album articles that have them, so I'm open-minded. I also prefer "vocal" to "vocals" in this context.

I have a few alternative ideas:

(1) No italics

"Good Times Roll" – 3:44
- Lead vocal - Ric Ocasek
"My Best Friend's Girl" – 3:44
- Lead vocal - Ric Ocasek
"Just What I Needed" – 3:44
- Lead vocal - Benjamin Orr

...

(2) Small Italics

"Good Times Roll" – 3:44
- Lead vocal - Ric Ocasek
"My Best Friend's Girl" – 3:44
- Lead vocal - Ric Ocasek
"Just What I Needed" – 3:44
- Lead vocal - Benjamin Orr

...

(3) Small italics in-line with the track

"Good Times Roll" – 3:44 Lead vocal - Ric Ocasek
"My Best Friend's Girl" – 3:44 Lead vocal - Ric Ocasek
"Just What I Needed" – 3:44 Lead vocal - Benjamin Orr

...

(4) Song notes at the end, kept brief.

Track listing

"Good Times Roll" – 3:44
"My Best Friend's Girl" – 3:44
"Just What I Needed" – 3:44

...

Song notes

Lead vocals all by Benjamin Orr, except Ric Ocasek on "Good Times Roll," "I'm in Touch With Your World," "Don't Cha Stop," "You're All I've Got Tonight."
The running time for "Moving in Stereo" mislabled on the CD jewel case as 5:15.

My preference would be for 3 or 4. Fantailfan 12:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Adding lead vocals credits (again)

Please do not change the article again without discussing it on the album discussion page. The standard format should be used unless there is a compelling reason to change it. Since nothing has been added to the discussion page to justify the deviation, I am reverting this edit. --Fantailfan 14:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Adding lead vocals credits (third time)

You have again changed the article without discussing it on the album discussion page. The standard format should be used unless there is a compelling reason to change it. Since nothing has been added to the discussion page to justify the deviation, I am reverting this edit again. --Fantailfan 14:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lead vocal credit in track listing section again

You have again changed the article without discussing it on the album discussion page. The standard format should be used unless there is a compelling reason to change it. Since nothing has been added to the discussion page to justify the deviation, I am reverting this edit again and requesting semi-protection. --Fantailfan 20:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking up "Let the Good times roll" on Dogpile, and saw an ad for Bang Bus Girls, a pornographic site. What vile people are running the internet!? --66.218.12.196 01:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but Neil Diamond had nothing to do with this album. No, he did not sing or write the 9th song All Mixed Up ARCOINS 11:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction

What is an "AOR radio favorite"? 142.36.45.56 (talk) 16:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AOR stands for Adult Orientated Rock, rock and roll music popular with people who have moved beyond listening to the Top Forty. Presumably, an AOR radio favourite is a song repeatedly played on AOR radio stations. I presume you don't live in the United States? Eligius (talk) 02:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Cars (album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MusikAnimal (talk · contribs) 00:54, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I will be taking on this review. I'm a fan of the band myself and look forward to learning more about this album. Expect feedback from me over the coming days. — MusikAnimal ^talk 00:54, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. Has an appropriate reference section:

B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

Concerns

In the lead, recognized as one of the band's greatest LPs. Should we use the term LPs or albums? While an LP can fairly be considered synonymous with the more ubiquitous term "album", from my experience it is usually reserved when referring to vinyl recordings. Just a thought.
Under Background, After becoming a club staple, ... saw release on their 1987 album Door to Door.) This is just a long sentence that in my opinion could be better reworded. Perhaps something like: After becoming a club staple, the band recorded a multitude of demos in the late 1970s, some of which later appeared in finished form on The Cars. Others were saved for a later release, such as "Just What I Needed" and "My Best Friend's Girl", which appeared on 1987's Door to Door.
I had to remove the reference to YouTube, as it appeared to be a fan who uploaded an old video. Without proper attribution, we have to assume it's copyrighted and the video therefore cannot be linked. We can use it as a reference, however, if you are able to come up with more information about the documentary. The name of the interview, who broadcasted/published it, the interviewer, date, etc are very helpful for readers to identify the source in order to verify claims attributed to it. Some quick research should hopefully yield some information about this interview, especially considering it was apparently the last interview they ever had. At any rate, correctly filling in citation information is critical as we are supporting direct quotations, which must be supported by reliable sources.
There may be too many quotations overall, or not enough prose around it. For instance, word for word, the Music and lyrics section is mostly quotations. The quotes may not need to be removed, however. Instead maybe there's some room for prose expansion, such as touching on the style of music they played in the album, etc.
It may seem unnecessary when you can just Google it, but we must have sources for the track listing, personnel, chart performance, and certifications. You don't need a reference for each individual line. For instance, at the top of the Personnel section you could write "Credits adapted from liner notes and Allmusic" followed by the inline citations. There are also a few other places throughout the article we're I've noted a citation is needed.
Research is lacking. For an album that was on the charts for 100+ weeks, I'd expect there'd be more to say about the recording, production, maybe the tour that followed the release. MOS:ALBUM is the generalized guideline of how articles on albums are constructed, that may be of help.

N As it stands right now, this article does not meet the good article criteria. Taking all aforementioned concerns into account, I do not believe we can address everything in a reasonable amount of time, so I am unfortunately failing this nomination. Please don't let this be any bit discouraging. We're not super far off. The biggest issue is the lack of research. — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:23, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I reworded the demos part, changed LPs to albums, and found the DVD with the interview on it (although I'm not sure how to cite it, because its a video rather than a book/news/web article/journal.) Beatleswhobeachboys (talk) 21:49, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Beatleswhobeachboys: You can use {{cite av media}} to cite audio/video sources. When you feel all of the above concerns are addressed, you can contact me directly and I will be happy to give this review another go. For now I'm going to formally close it. Thanks for your hard work, nonetheless :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 23:42, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.