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On 30 May 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Illyrian Shepherd Dog. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Meaning of "Illyrian"

The original official name (Illyrian Shepherd Dog, Ilirski ovčar), has nothing to do with Albania. Please check Illyrian Provinces, Illyrian Academy (1703), Illyrian movement. The word "Illyrian" was used in a pure South-Slavic context. N Jordan (talk) 18:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Although some opinions are different , and state that the Albanians are descends of illyria.

https://www.refworld.org/docid/4954cdfe1a.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.35.66.25 (talk) 12:28, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

completely irrelevant in this case.

As the article states, the dog was registered by Yugoslavian Cynology Society as Ilyrian and then changed to Yugoslav. As the previous user stated, it has nothing to do with Albania Pixius talk 19:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2020

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origins of sharplaninac are wrong they are from sar planina and shar planina goes through south of Serbia Macedonian and Albania,Kosovo is not recognized as a country by the un and the majority of countries. 87.116.162.151 (talk) 00:43, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The status of Kosovo appears to be explained in further detail in the attached note. – Thjarkur (talk) 08:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly Kosovo isn't a country so it cant be so its a province of Serbia Kingxx3 (talk) 07:09, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Šar planinac

Čime se hrani 188.2.23.160 (talk) 16:14, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 May 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 02:55, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Šarplaninac → Illyrian Shepherd Dog – Illyrian Shepherd Dog is the WP:COMMONNAME in the English language. "Šarplaninac" is the name used by South Slavs, and "Deltari Ilir" or "Qen Sharrit" is the name used by Albanians - either way, none of these names are in the English language, and they are also not the common name as is indicated by search results on Google Books:

Search Results for Illyrian Shepherd Dog - 11,100. [1]

Search Results for Šarplaninac - 2,030. [2]

In conclusion, Šarplaninac is not the WP:COMMONNAME in the English language, whereas Illyrian Shepherd Dog - it can be used as a redirect, but definitely should not be the article's title. Botushali (talk) 01:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Illyrian Shepherd Dog is a redirect to a disambiguation page which lists this breed as well as Karst Shepherd, and this article states that the Karst Shepherd was once considered a sub-type of Šarplaninac. FCI lists English names for this breed as "YUGOSLAVIAN SHEPHERD DOG - SHARPLANINA"; but "Yugoslavian" may not work well if this breed is also in Albanaia. I'm not seeing a reported number of Google results following the links given above, but multiple word searches need to be enclosed in quotes in order to search for a phrase, rather than words occurring in different places in a single page. Reported results will be lower if "Illyrian Shepherd Dog" is searched rather than Illyrian+Shepherd+Dog. Additionally, a bunch of the first results from that link to the search for Illyrian+Shepherd+Dog are indices of books, where the index has "Illyrian Shepherd Dog see Sarplaninac". Plantdrew (talk) 18:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The bibliography strongly favors the current title over the proposed one. Also, as Plantdrew has stated, your search results method is flawed. I get far more results for "Šarplaninac" than for "Illyrian Shepherd Dog". --Local hero ^talk 20:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Like the editors above here have pointed out, enclose both names in quotation marks and you'll see which name is more common. StephenMacky1 (talk) 20:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. As other editors have pointed. Kluche (talk) 21:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. A quick glance in Google Books shows a load of sources using Šarplaninac and it's by this name that the Dog is known in most Western countries. One another, less common name in English is Sharplanina, which seems much more common in French, where it is spelled Charplanina (French ch is equivalent to English sh). Krisitor (talk) 09:35, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.