Talk:Lists of Albanians

list order

I think it's good if this list is ordered by surnames as it used to be. Andres 15:05, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

<Domi> I sorted them without reading the discussions (sorry). Hope this is OK.

Just don't add new names if it's tedious, add only when a new article is written. Andres 15:22, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I didn't just mean tedious to write, but tedious to read too. Especially since poeple might not realize that they are sorted by last name, and instead might think that it's a random list. Perhaps I should put them into categories, but I didn't want to do that since some people are hard to put in one category. You can revert it if you disagree, I don't feel that strongly about it, just thought it would look more orderly this way. --Dori 18:54, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I have no problem when the names are ordered by surnames but you are right that some people might have. I imagine two ways out. First we may state at the beginning of the lists that the names are ordered by surnames (or names as in the case of Mother Teresa). The other way is that used in other lists of names in Wikipedia. It is like:

• Verlaci, Shefqet (see the edit box).

I have always thought this is tedious, unnatural and superfluous but this would solve your problem. What do you think? Andres 19:34, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I guess I can mention the way the list is sorted. As I said, I don't have any big objections to it myself (as I started the list that way), but thought others might want it done differently. --Dori 12:40, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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I still think Mehemet Ali should be under M, as Ali was not his surname, or was it? As far as I know, there were no surnames in the Ottoman empire. Andres 19:13, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Arian Avrazi

I don't know how you have gotten Arian Avrazi's name as a composer. I am albanian and I don't know him. He doesn't deserve to be in that list.

You should put the well known composer Tish Daija who past away last september.

Also, I saw some singers name like Anjeza Shahini etc, etc and I didn't see Vace Zela.

I'll appreciate if someone will check very carefully this website and specially this list before you update. I am an Albanian-American and I can say that it's not fair to put someones name who hasn't done anything or they don't have a long and good carrier as a artist.

sincerely, ellie

As unë s'e njoh...The reason why you were reverted is that many vandals like to remove text from articles for no reason. Anyone may add and remove text from here. If you feel some entries need to be added or removed do so, but say something as to why in the Edit summary so that people do not think that you are vandalizing. Creating an account would also help. Let me know if you have any questions. Dori | Talk 03:28, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

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I took out Claudius as I know of no source that says he was anything but Roman. Perhaps Claudius II was meant? But in that case, so little is known about him, and so much of what is known is from entirely dubious sources, that it's difficult to make such confident assertions about his ethnicity. —Charles P. ^(Mirv) 04:23, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Illyrian characters cannot be used. They predate Albanian identity. Iskenderbey

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I added Vasile Lupu. Most sources cite him as Albanian. Dahn 11:36, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

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Eftimiu spelled his first name as "Victor" (not "Viktor") - he opted for the main Romanian spelling. Dahn 11:41, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

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Have to take issue with the link to a list of famous Albanians at the bottom; Pan-Aryan National Front?

http://www.panf.info/upload/showthread.php?t=3208

Link should be removed, IMO.

Ataturk is an albanian now ?

Ataturk was not Albanian, I will keep deleting him off this page. I would like to know why someone is trying to ban me for speaking the truth. What is that all about ? A look at the meaning of the name Ataturk( Father of the Turks) leaves no doubt about his ethnicity.

To the person who keeps inserting him in - PLEASE STOP !

In this list there are some people listed as being of albanian origin, even though in their own wikipedia page they are listed as being of italian/greek/armenian/other origin, as for example Marisa Tomei, Danny de Vito, George Tennet, Sinan etc. Couln't someone make a cross-reference so that there are no contradictions betweeen the two pages ?

Albanians steal other history and try to hide well known things like that Skanderbeg is Serb by mom ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.86.207.71 (talk) 21:07, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Well it seem so! please see the following book for further information The New Encyclopedia of Islam - Cyril Glassé in page 38 it is writen clear from the author '....Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was of Albanian origin....' so nothing is invented and by the way "father of the turks" it does not exclude a difrent origin for the person.

About Gjergj Kastrioti Skenderbeu I think that it doesn't worth it to expalin, becaouse it is easly verified form a lot of sources his pure Albanian origin.

References

Some of these people are only of Albanian descent

E.g. John Belushi (born USA), Ferid Murad " born in Whiting, Indiana" (USA), Antonio Gramsci "born in Ales, Italy, on the island of Sardinia", Kristina O'Donnelly "Born in Rome, Italy ... she feels at home both in Ireland and the U.S.A."

It would be more accurate to remove these people from the page, or to rename the page "People of Albanian ancestry"

In any case, the page name does not seem very ideal. I'm no expert, but I simply don't believe that Atatürk, Tancu Ciller and more than 20 Ottoman PMs all identify/-ied themselves as Albanians. Grouping people by ethnicity is always very problematic, and it is much simpler just to categorize people by their citizenship. At least unless the individuals in question primarily choose to identify themselves with something different than their citizenship. Valentinian ^(talk) 20:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Alphabetical arrangements

Can somebody arrange the names by an alphabetical order? There is a chaos... --Aeternus 17:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Albanian Foreign Ministers Since 1912

From Ministry of Foreign Affairs

04.12.1912 - June 1913 Ismail Qemali

June 1913 - 24.01.1914 Myfit Libohova

17.03.1914 - 20.05.1914 Turhan Permeti

28.05.1914 - 03.09.1914 Preng Bib Doda

25.12.1918 - 29.01.1920 Myfit Libohova

30.01.1920 - 14.11.1920 Mehmet Konica

19.11.1920 - 01.07.1921 Iljaz Vrioni

11.07.1921 - 06.10 1921 Pandeli Vangjeli

16.10.1921 - 06.12.1921 Pandeli Vangjeli

07.12.1921 - 12.12.1921 Fan Noli

12.12.1921 - 24.12.1921 Xhafer Villa

24.12.1921 - 02.12.19222 Fan Noli (he resigned before taking up the functions of the Foreign Minister, those functions were carried out by Xhafer Ypi)

02.12.1922 - 25.02.1924 Pandeli Evangjeli

30.03.1924 - 27.05.1924 Iljaz Vrioni

16.06.1924 - 23.12.1924 Sulejman Delvina

24.12.1924 - 05.01.1925 Iljaz Vrioni

06.01.1925 - 31.01. 1925 Gjergj Koleci, (he did not start up with this post, the tasks of the minister were carried out by Myfit Libohova).

01.03.1925 - 23.09.1925 Myfit Libohova

28.09.1925 - 10.02.1927 Hysen Vrioni

12.02.1927 - 21.10.1927 Iljaz Vrioni, * - 10.05.1928 Iljaz Vrioni

11.05.1928 - 01.09.1928 Iljaz Vrioni

05.09.1928 - 13.01.1929 Iljaz Vrioni

14.01.1929 - 05.03.1930 Rauf Fico

06.03.1930 - 11.04.1931 Rauf Fico

20.04.1931 - 07.12.1932 Hysen Vrioni

11.01.1933 - 06.10.1935 Xhafer Villa

21.10.1935 - 07.11.1936 Fuat Asllani

09.1.1936 - 02.04.1939 Ekrem Libohova

09.04.1939 - 12.04.1939 Mihal Sherko

12.04.1939 - 02.12.1941 Xhemil Dino

03.06.1939 The activity of the international relations was passed on to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Italy

05.11.1943 - 06.02.1944 Mehmet Konica

06.02.1944 - 17.07.1944 Bahri Omari

17.07.1944 - 28.08.1944 Ekrem Vlora

06.09.1944 - 29.11.1944 The tasks were carried out by the Deputy

Minster of Foreign Affairs, Ibrahim Bicakciu

27.05.1944 - 22.10.1944 Omer Nishani, Charged to carried out the functions and the operations of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs

22.10.1944 - 10.01.1946 Omer Nishani

11.01.1946 - 18.03.1946 Omer Nishani

22.03.1946 - 30.06.1950 Enver Hoxha

05.07.1950 - 23.07.1953 Enver Hoxha,

23.07.1953 - 19.07.1954 Behar Shtylla

20.07.1953 - 21.06.1958 Behar Shtylla

22.06.1958 - 17.06.1970 Behar Shtylla

17.06.1970 - 29.10.1974 Nesti Nase

29.10.1974 - 26.12.1978 Nesti Nase

27.12.1978 - 30.06.1982 Nesti Nase

30.06.1982 - 22.11.1982 Reiz Malile

23.11.1982 - 21.02.1987 Reiz Malile

20.02.1987 - 21.02.1991 Reiz Malile

22.02.1991 - 09.05.1991 Muhamet Kapllani

09.05.1991 - 05.06.1991 Muhamet Kapllani

05.05.1991 - 06.12.1991 Muhamet Kapllani

18.12.1991 - 11.04.1992 Ilir Bocka

11.04.1992 - 11.07.1996 Alfred Serreqi

11.07.1996 - 12.04.1997 Tritan Shehu

12.04.1997 - 25.07.1997 Arjan Starova

25.07.1997- 2001 Paskal Milo

2001 - July 2002 Arta Dade

July 2002 - July 2003 Ilir Meta

29.12.2003 - 12.09.2005 Kastriot Islami

12.09.2005 - Besnik Mustafaj

Propose Trimming Down

I suggest that if a person is not notable enough to have a page, then they shouldn't be on this list either. Nobody has posted in the talk section, here, in quite some time. I think it's time this page saw some active discussion. Gruber76 14:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Also, does Visar Sadriu aka Hovarda - Famous porn star from 70's,died from drug overdose qualify as a scientist? Denis 19:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

List of Albanians or List of people with Albanian origin?

Why are many famous people listed mainly because of their Albanian origin? Shouldn't this list be a list of Albanians and not a list of people with Albanian origin? Maybe we should create a list of people with Albanian origin so that this problem will be solved? --Albanau 23:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the best model is this: List_of_Armenians. We should have separate lists (pages) for each field and then show the summary of each in this page like the Armenians very well do. sulmues --Sulmues 20:04, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Vehbi Veliu

Vehbi Veliu eshte nga Maqedonia e jo shqiptar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roland mai (talk • contribs) 16:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

cleanup

this list is an incredible mess. it needs to be cut down to an essential core and then rebuilt with more care. Specifically,

• remove all redlinks
• give lifetime dates for each entry
• give a brief characterization for each entry
• make it a "wikitable-sortable" table instead of the unmanageable sections

--dab (𒁳) 12:38, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Erton Namoni

Who keeps on removing Erton Namoni from the Entrepreneurs section.

He is a well known and highly respected business man in kosovo and has the largest IT Distribution company in kosovo, as well as a list of companies under development. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.197.255 (talk) 14:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

this is a joke

the Entrepreneurs, business people, organisation executives section is a joke and a mockery of Albanian business people. you've listed ONE credible business man.

what happened to the owners of businesses in Kosovo that turnover millions of euros. what happened to the owners of businesses in Albania that make millions of Lek?

where are the names of Ekrem Lluka Remzi Kelmendi Erton Namoni the Albanian Billionaire who has an oil empire and is supposedly interested in buying AC MILAN

the people listed under this category are a joke and are not the only people of Albanian origin that have had successful carriers in the business world.

I as an Albanian urge you to edit this section and stop making the Albanian business community look like a joke to the outside world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.201.3 (talk) 15:47, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Mustafa Kemal

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was a Turkmen, his grandfathers migrated from Anatolia to Selanik.. you should erase him from the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.253.16.204 (talk) 07:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

It is stated by 3rd party published sources that his ethnicity was Albanian.

• Lou Giaffo: Albania: Eye of the Balkan Vortex.
• Jackh, Ernest, The Rising Crescent, (Goemaere Press, 2007), 31.
• Richmond, Yale, From Da to Yes: understanding the East Europeans, (Intercultural Press Inc., 1995), 212.
• Ataturk: the Rebirth of a Nation by Patrick Kinross, Orion Publishing Co. (August 26, 1993), p.4; Whether, like most Macedonians, he had about him a touch of the hybrid - perhaps of the Slav or Albanian - can only be a matter for surmise.
• The Concise Encyclopaedia of Islam, by Cyril Glasse, p38 --Kansas Bear (talk) 07:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Kansas bear you can't believe that ataturk was an albanian ok?? we have family tree of ataturk so they say he was turkmen himself — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sahindakan (talk • contribs) 15:17, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Ataturk was Never Albanian ok? here Is Real proof

watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXMjGwBhMcw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vOvaHyE4To

Atatürk's family tree

http://www.kanalkultur.com/yolalevi/...r/aleviata.jpg

Yörük Turkmen in Balkan http://balkanpazar.org/yorukler.asp

His ancestors were Turcomans of Karaman who were settled into the Balkans in order to increase the numbers of Turkics in the region.

Profesori turk Enver Behnam Shapolyo shkruan: "Për gjyshërit e Ataturkut kisha pyetur një shok shkolle të Ataturkut, që ka qenë deputet, i quajtur Haxhi Mehmeti. Ai më tha: -Gjyshërit e Ataturkut janë nga komuna e Dibrës, Koxhshëk, të cilët kishin ardhur nga Konja e Anadollit dhe flisnin turqisht, për këtë shkak quheshin edhe "konjarë"...

Mustafa was born as the son of Mr and Mrs Ali Rıza Efendi Turkish and Zübeyde Hanım in Salonika, which was then a part of the Ottoman Empire. It was also home to various peoples in the cosmopolitan Muslims with Jews and Christians lived together peacefully mainly. Mustafa's paternal grandfather, Kızıl Hafız Ahmed was one of the Yörük Türkmen. His mother was the daughter of an old peasant, originally from Konya, Karaman-derived family of the little town Langasa (now Langadas) in Thessaloniki. The parents were married 1871,

"Efendiler, benim atalarım Anadolu'dan Rumeli'ye gelmiş Yörük Türkmenler'dendir " M.Kemal Atatürk

"Gentlemen, my ancestors came from Anatolia to Rumelia is from the Turkmen Yörük " M. Kemal Ataturk

and according to Falih Rıfkı Atay, Ali Rıza's roots have come from Söke in Aydın Province.[13][14] His mother Zübeyde is thought to be of Turkish[10][11] and according to Şevket Süreyya Aydemir, her roots have come from Turkoman (Türkmen) and in his family, there was roumor that they have come of Yörük.[15]

Time, 24-Mar-1923, DETAILS: Where is the Turk his own master read what it had to say on the matter you asked me before _ unstained reputation. Some of these wild reports charged him with being anything from a traitor to his country to being a "foreigner." Kemal is pure Turk (not, as some have said, a Jew) and has proved to the whole world that he is the core of Modern Turkey.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,726976,00.html#ixzz18pnedDGl — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sahindakan (talk • contribs) 15:18, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Ahmet Pasha Dukagjini

In 1515, the Ottomans sent a powerful army under the command of the Albanian general Ahmet Pasha Dukagjini. Northern Iraq was conquered and by 1535 the whole of Iraq got rid of the rule of the Shah.

Zeri: http://www.zeriyt.com/albanian-rulers-of-the-middle-east-t35890.0.html#ixzz19teOeeVs

If you want to actually go back further, to the rise of Ottoman domination in Iraq in 1515, when the Ottomans basically took over Mesopotamia and prevented Safavi Iran from transforming Mesopotamia into their own satrapy, so to speak, the Ottomans eventually, beginning in 1860, with what we call the reforms, the Tanzimat, brought more and more Sunnis—largely, Sunni Arabs, because they were the majority of the Sunni population, but also Sunni Turkmen and Kurds —into the administrative, bureaucratic, and coercive infrastructure of the Ottoman state in Iraq.

http://www.carnegiecouncil.org/resources/transcripts/5376.html

This was the time of Selim_I.

It could have been the Battle of Chaldiran But the battle was in 1514, 23 August 1514 according to the list Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire Diyarbekir_Province,_Ottoman_Empire was created 1515. See also Hasankeyf

James Michael DuPont (talk) 16:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Belushi

James and John Belushi are of albanian descent. why are they removed? Jim Belushi was born in Chicago, Illinois, the son of Agnes (née Samaras), who was of Albanian descent, and Adam Belushi (1918-1996), an Albanian immigrant and restaurant operator who left his native village, Qyteza, in 1934 at the age of sixteen.

James Michael DuPont (talk) 16:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, and because James and John Belushi were born in the US, they are not albanians. This is a list of notable albanians, not people of albanian descent. --Nuujinn (talk) 17:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Mother Theresa was born 26 August 1910, in Üsküb, Ottoman Empire , are you going to remove her too?

James Michael DuPont (talk) 17:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

If she's not Albanian, why would you say she should be on the list? --Nuujinn (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Because she is albanian, just like the belushis. This list contains many ethnic albanians, albania was a country for a very short time. I think this list should include albanian people or we just make a new one for that purpose. what happened to the picture with all the faces on it? James Michael DuPont (talk) 17:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

But the Belushis are not Albanian, they are of Albanian descent and citizens of the US. See also List of Albanian Americans and Albanian American. Being descended from Scots doesn't make me Scottish. --Nuujinn (talk) 18:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

If you remove mother theresa, this list will become usless. then you will remove skenderbeg cause he was in the ottoman empire. so what is the point of this list? 18:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't see much point in this kind of list, but if we are to have it, it should be accurate. --Nuujinn (talk) 19:13, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

References

Ajaz Mehmet Pasha Vlora

Ajaz Mehmet Pasha Vlora is also called Ajaz Pasha, or is that someone else? He is also called  : Ajaz Ahmed Pasha Ajaz Ahmet Pasha

Ajaz Ahmed Pasha born in the South, has been prime minister in the years 1536-1539.

That would make him Ayas Mehmed Pasha.

http://www.forumishqiptar.com/showthread.php?t=109809&page=3 http://www.balkanweb.com/gazetav5/artikull.php?id=57932 James Michael DuPont (talk) 18:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Ahmet Pasha Dukagjini

Ahmet Pasha Dukagjini is known by his ottoman name Dukakinzade Ahmed Pasha. James Michael DuPont (talk) 18:42, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Albanian_Grand_Viziers_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

add to Category:Albanian_Grand_Viziers_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

Ivazzade_Halil_Pasha --> Ajvas-zade_Halil_Pasha

James Michael DuPont (talk) 18:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Amzhazade Hysein Pasha

this should be Köprülü Amcazade Hacı Hüseyin Pasha but his article is missing. Ahh, but he is filed under a different name. Amcazade Köprülü Hüseyin Pasha James Michael DuPont (talk) 19:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Arnavuat (Semiz) Ahmet Pasha

Arnavuat (Semiz) Ahmet Pasha could be Arnavut (Semiz) Ahmet Pasha Arnaut (Semiz) Ahmet Pasha Arnavutluk (Semiz) Ahmet Pasha

The image of an Ottoman city: imperial architecture and urban experience in By Heghnar Zeitlian Watenpaugh http://books.google.com/books?id=utQo4ek-7BIC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=Arnavut+grand+Grand+Vizier+ottoman&source=bl&ots=zwDuxkzpmO&sig=FvcjjJwEbmsKXe9BeXOIlZ3iXfs&hl=en&ei=a84gTcf2DJCSswakhv3gDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Arnavut%20grand%20Grand%20Vizier%20ottoman&f=false

Grand Vizier Arnavut Mehmed Pasha also known as Tabani Yassi (flatfooted) 1589 - 1639 was grand visar from 1632 - 1636.

That makes him Tabanıyassi Mehmed Pasha listed here 1632 - 1637!

The list of albians has him 2x!

Tabanıyassı Mehmed Pasha Tabani Jassi Mehmet Pasha Tabanıyassı Mehmed Paşa

James Michael DuPont (talk) 19:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Bajazit Pasha

Bajazit Pasha Bayazid Pasha Bayezid Pasha Beyazit Pasha Beyazit Pasha Bayazit Pasha Beyazıt Pasha Beyazıd Pasha

Pajazit Pasha Payazid Pasha Payezid Pasha Peyazit Pasha Peyazit Pasha Payazit Pasha Peyazıt Pasha Peyazıd Pasha

this is not the sultan, Bayezid I Bayezid II.

Amasyalı Bayezid Pasha 1413-1421

James Michael DuPont (talk) 19:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Bijikli Ali Pasha

Bijikli Ali Pasha Biyikli Ali Pasha Biyikli Ali Paşa

Osman reign on August 24 1755 - 25 October 1755 http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silahdar_B%C4%B1y%C4%B1kl%C4%B1_Ali_Pa%C5%9Fa Silahdar_Bıyıklı_Ali_Pasha 1755

Ä ° STANBUL is a poor family.

Babası öldükten sonra Büyük Ayasofya evkafı kâtibi Mehmet Efendi tarafından himaye edilmiş; tenasübü endamı ve sesinin güzel olmasıyla sarayda kiler odasına alınarak Darüssaade ağası Hacı Beşir Ağa'ya müezzin olmuştu. 

After his father died, has been patronized by older Hagia Sophia Foundations clerk Mehmet Efendi; tenasübü stature and being beautiful voice in the palace cellar room Darussaade warlord Haji Bashir Agha muezzin had been taken.

Hacı Beşir Ağa vefatından evvel I. Before the death of Haji Bashir Agha I. 

Mahmut'a rica ettiğinden Ali müezzin başılık ile hasodaya alınmış ve burada yükselerek 1751 yılında silahdar olmuştur.

Mahmut'a ask because Ali was taken and where the muezzin pressed hasodaya with silahdar in 1751 has been raised.

Ali ağa'nın nüfuzunu göstermesi üçüncü Osman zamanında başlamış, devlet işlerini saraydan idareye kalkarak sadr-ı âzamların nüfuzunu hiçe indirmiştir. 
Osman Ali Agha third time, began to show his influence, the administration of state affairs from the palace stood reduced to disregard the influence of Sadr-i âzamların. III. III. 
Osman Hekimoğlu Ali Paşa'nın azli üzerine Ali Ağa'yı sadrâzam yapmak istedi fakat henüz sakalı olmadığını ve  umuru sadarete vukufsuzluğunu düşünerek sadareti Naili Abdullah Paşa'ya verip bunu da sadarete aday olmak üzere vezirlikle nişancı tayin ederek geliri çok olan Aydın muhassallığını verdiği gibi Muhsinzâde sarayını da kendisine  döşettirdi; filhakika Naili Abdullah Paşa 'nın azli üzerine 24 Ağustos 1755'te Nişancı Ali Paşa vezir-i âzam oldu. 

Hekimoglu Osman Ali Agha Ali Pasha, Grand Vizier asked to do on the dismissal, but not yet a beard and becomes the Grand Vezir umuru Naili Abdullah Paşa becomes the Grand Vezir vukufsuzluğunu thinking of whether it becomes the Grand Vezir vezirlikle gunner assigned to the income of the candidate multi-tent, such as the palace of the Aydin muhassallığını döşettirdi him, too, matter of fact Naili Abdullah Pasha, Ali Pasha's dismissal on 24 August 1755, Snipes was the queen-i-Azam.

Bıyıklı Ali Paşa'nın sadareti altmış üç gün sürdü.

Ali Paşa becomes the Grand Vezir mustache lasted sixty-three days.

Enderun halkından bazılarının bizzat pâdişâhtan duyduklarına göre yalan söylemesi yolsuzluğa ve rüşvetçiliğe kalkışması sebebiyle birden bire azil ve kapı arasına (sarayın orta kapısına) hapsedilerek derhal katledildi ( 25 Ekim 1755).

According to some of what you hear from the people he lied Enderun Sultan himself because of corruption and attempted corruption of a sudden dismissal and the door between the (middle door of the palace), imprisoned and killed immediately (October 25, 1755).

Katlinden iki saat sonra Sultan Osman acele edip öldürdüğüne pişman olmuştur. 

Two hours after the murder of Sultan Osman was sorry to rush killed.

Kabri Üsküdar'da Seyyid Ahmed Jeresi'ndedir. Tomb of Sayyid Ahmad Jeresi'ndedir Üsküdar.

Şamdanizâde Müriü't-Tevarih isimli eserinde Silâhdar Ali Paşa'nın üçüncü Osman üzerinde etkili olduğunu ve köse  Bahir Mustafa Paşa 'yı azlettirerek Hekimoğlu Ali Paşa 'yı sadarete sevkettiğini ve türlü türlü iftiralarla onu da  azil ve sürgün ettirip Naili Abdullah Paşa'yı da atlattıktan sonra sadarete geldiğini beyan ederek pâdişâhın  Hekimoğlu ve Naili Abdullah Paşalar hakkında Bıyıklı Ali Paşa'nın yapmış olduğu iftiralara vakıf olarak kendisini azl ve kati ile Hekimoğlu Ali Paşa'yı Mısır valisi yaptığını yazmaktadır. 

Şamdanizâde Müriü't-Tevarih Silâhdar Ali Pasha's work and is effective on the third corner Bahir Mustafa Pasha Osman 's azlettirerek Hekimoglu Ali Pasha' s accusations of every kind, and it becomes the Grand Vezir sevkettiğini the dismissal and exile ettirip Naili Abdullah Pasha, the bypass by this Agreement, then that becomes the Grand Vezir Hekimoglu and Naili sultan Ali Pasha, Abdullah Pasha Subagyo his slanders about him as a foundation and solid with AZL Hekimoglu governor Ali Pasha of Egypt is doing is writing.

Vakanüvis Vasıf Bıyıklı Ali Paşa'nın gösterişli mehib tenasüb-i endam sahibi olduğunu beyan ile kibir ve gururunu ve garezkârlığını yazdıktan sonra bir hayırsever tarafından iyi yola sevk edilse idi kendisinden istifade olunacak kabiliyette olduğunu söylemektedir.* 

Vasif chronicler Subagyo Mehibe tenasüb-i Ali Pasha flashy arrogance and pride and to declare that the owner of figuring garezkârlığını after posting by a philanthropist was good although the road itself referred to it as the ability to benefit from the falling .* James Michael DuPont (talk) 19:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Fehmi_Bince-Arnaut

I cannot find anything on : Fehmi_Bince-Arnaut James Michael DuPont (talk) 20:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Giritli-Mustafa Nail Pasha

Giritli-Mustafa Nail Pasha -> Giritli Mustafa Naili Pasha easy James Michael DuPont (talk) 20:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Haxhi Ahcas Mehmet Pasha

Haxhi Ahcas Mehmet Pasha Hacı Mehmet Paşa Ahcas Hadzi-Ahcas Mehmet Paşa

This could be : Tiryaki Hacı Mehmed Pasha(1746–1747) •

Tiryaki Haci Mehmed Pasha I. Mahmoud reign, 9 August 1746 - August 24 1747 a year on six days between the dates of Grand Vizier have made health Ottoman statesman.

Tiryakilik in connection with the time, drink, tobacco, opium, and all kinds müskiratın is said to be very ucuzlatılmış. tr:Tiryaki_Hacı_Mehmed_Paşa James Michael DuPont (talk) 20:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

please add musicians Lorenc_Antoni

Lorenc_Antoni James Michael DuPont (talk) 20:46, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Haxhi-Halil Pasha

Hacı Halil Pasha (1716–1717)

Haci Halil Pasha, III. Ahmed reign, August 5 1716 - August 26 1717 between these dates a year, twenty-two days with his grand vizier Trabzon and Crete governors have Ottoman statesman. tr:Hacı_Halil_Paşa

James Michael DuPont (talk) 20:47, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Ibrahim_Pasha_Parga

Ibrahim Pasha Parga It says he is greek : Pargalı İbrahim Pasha 27 June 1523-14 March 1536 James Michael DuPont (talk) 20:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Is'hak Pasha

It says he İshak Pasha was a Croatian or Greek who became an Ottoman general, statesman and later Grand Vizier.[1] not albanian İshak Paşa (1469-1472) İshak Paşa (1481-1482) Ishak_Pasha James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:00, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Jemishxi Hasan Pasha

Jemishxi Hasan Pasha is Yemişçi_Hasan_Pasha. Yemişçi (Albanian: Jemishxhi - u) Hasan Pasha, born in Rogovë / Rogovo in Kosovo in 1535, executed by Sultan Mehmet III in 1603. James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Kadi Ali Pasha

Kadi means judge, Kadi Ali Pasha could be many. Cannot seem to find him James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:12, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Kara Ahmet Pasha Dukagjini

Kara Ahmet Pasha Dukagjini, i think this is a duplicate of Ahmet Pasha Dukagjini James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Kara Murat Pasha

Kara Murat Pasha Should be

• Kara Dev Murad Pasha 1649–1650)
• Kara Dev Murad Pasha 1655

in turklish tr:Mevlevi Mehmed Paşa

Mevlevi Mehmed Pasha Hunter Jack during the reign of August 7 1648 - May 21 1649, between nine months and ten five-day [[Grand Vizier] ] health who had a Ottoman statesman. James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Kemankush Kara Mustafa Pasha

Kemankush Kara Mustafa Pasha should be Kemankeş Kara Mustafa Paşa (1638-1644) Kemankeş Kara Mustafa Pasha

Kemankesh Kara Mustafa Pasha IV. Jamie the last years of his reign, and I. Abraham during the first years of his reign, 23 December 1638 - January 31 1644 have made grand vizier for eight days a month for five years between the Ottoman statesman.

James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:26, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Köpryly Zade Mustafa Pasha

Köpryly Zade Mustafa Pasha Köprülüzade Damat Numan Paşa (1710-1710)

Köprülü Numan Pasha III. Ahmed reign, 16 June 1710 - August 18 1710 have made grand vizier for two months between the Ottoman statesman.

Köprülü Numan Pasha

see Köprülü_family James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Lufti Pasha Shkodra

Lufti Pasha Shkodra Lüfti Paşa İşkodra Lütfi Paşa'nın İşkodra'lı Damat Çelebi Lütfi Paşa (1539-1541) --> Çelebi_Lütfi_Pasha James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:39, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Mehmet Ferid Pasha Vlora

tr:Avlonyalı_Mehmed_Ferid_Paşa1903-1908 Mehmet Ferid Pasha Vlora Mehmed Ferid Pasha Avlonyalı Mehmed Ferid Pasha

| Name = Mehmed Ferid Pasha | Image = Mehmed Ferid Pasha.jpg | 150px | Title = | Doğum_tarihi = 1851 | Doğum_yeri = Ioannina | Ölüm_tarihi = 1914 | Ölüm_yeri = San Remo Italy | Diğer_isimleri = | Known = | Occupation = Grand Vizier Mehmed Ferid Pasha, II. Abdul Hamid reign, 15 January 1903 - 22 July 1908 between Grand Vizier health made it in before the Konya found in the service of the governorship of [ [Albanian]] born a Ottoman statesman.

1851 on (1268) Ioannina was born in. Avlonyalı Governor was the son of Mustafa Pasha Nıuri. Ioannina Greek High School in the studied seven years of private teachers in Arabic, French, Italian and Greek took lessons. 1867 in his father's Rethymno Mutasarrıflığı in Rethymno Murder House Başkâtipliği began his career with the task.

1889 with the rank of vizier Konya Governor's Office have done, 1903 in Rumelia Reform Commission the leadership while he was serving, was the grand vizier.

Konya Valisiyken gained significant achievements, the Sultan has served faithfully. Win the trust of a break from Konya to the German ambassador, members of his palace by the sultan methedildiği and finally Izzet 'is also said to have gained the trust of. Government jobs even ağırlaşmadan Grand Vizier Said Pasha 's seen the need azline been invited to Istanbul, was appointed grand vizier himself by taking stock of loyalty.

Mehmed Ferid Pasha, Law-u Intrinsic 's obligation to be declared again been AZL comes along. As the cause of the AZL; Rumelia at yatıştıramaması the events, the Sultan constitutional government have recommended the adoption of the Constitution to Committee of Union and progress, claims to have helped. The main reason is, again, the proclamation of Constitution Law-u needed is a new Grand Vizier. In addition, the grand vizier in the new period by assigning an experienced, including the UK Duvel-i Muazzaman is considered to be of assistance. Ferid Pasha, Grand Vizier Mehmed the period of struggle with the Committee of Union and Progress, to be his position of responsibility meant that the installation of it. The change of government, the Grand Vizier and Serasker Riza Pasha other than the members of the government was left in place.

1914 in Italy, has died in San Remo.

• Asst. Assoc. Dr. Ahmet Emin Yalman - al-Sadr-i Âzamlık the Ottoman Empire (1876 - 1922), Ankara University, Faculty of Letters Publications, London, 1999.

James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Memish Pasha

Memish Pasha Çavuşbaşı Memiş Pasha (1808–1809) Çavuşbaşı Memi Pasha II. Mahmoud during the reign of 15 November 1808 - 1 January 1809 a month for nine days, between Grand Vizier have made health a Ottoman statesman. James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Merre Hysein Pasha

Merre Hysein Pasha Mere Hüseyin Pasha (1622) James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Mustafa Pasha Bajrakatari

I think this is Kara Mustafa Pasha James Michael DuPont (talk) 22:03, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Ohërli Hasan-Hysein Pasha

Ohërli Hasan-Hysein Pasha Ohrili Hüseyin Pasha (1621) James Michael DuPont (talk) 22:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Rrustem Pasha

Rrustem Pasha Rüstem Pasha (1555–1561) James Michael DuPont (talk) 22:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Tarhonxhu Ahmet Pasha

Tarhuncu Sarı Ahmed Pasha (1652–1653) Tarhonxhu Ahmet Pasha Tarhuncu Sarı Ahmed Paşa

Tarhuncu Ahmed Pasha (? - Fa. March 1653 in Istanbul) Hunter Jack during the reign of June 20 1652 - 21 March 1653 between these dates twenty-one days have made grand vizier for the nine months to a Ottoman statesman. Matt kasabasındandır Albania; Enderun from the educated, silâhdar Bosnian Musa Agha 's 1043 H. - 1633 M. valiği with Egypt on the palace and come out with the cavalry, which PreviousNext Firstly Musa Pasha ', or after the Hezarpâre Ahmed Pasha', or has kedhüdalık. Hezarpâre 's brother, after massacring Lent, Sipahiler, Sofu Mehmet Pasha', or the rebellion against the fallen victim in the Ahmed Agha, Şeyhülislam Haji Abdurrahim Master by protecting the lives saved with certainty, given to him governor of Diyarbakir, and later went on pilgrimage, and the governor of Egypt before returning to memuriyetine naklolunmuştur (Muharram 1059 and January 1649).

Tarhuncu Ahmed Pasha, 1061 azlolunarak Safer and Egypt, came to Istanbul in January 1651 and the Grand Vizier Georgian Mehmet Pasha becomes the Grand Vezir liyakatini saw it as an excuse her Yedikule imprisoned in Egypt, accounting Ioannina sancağıyla Thessaloniki in Istanbul, pulled to sit. In the meantime, government jobs, Sultan 's trustee Anatolia Kazasker i Hocazade Massoud Master' to be seen, under the supervision of the Georgian Mehmet Pasha 'instead of searching for a queen icraatında strong [ [Şeyhülislam]] by Siyavuş Pasha was offered in the Sultan edilmediğindan accepted by the Masoud Master 's on the advice when he invited to Istanbul Subscribed Tarhuncu; secretly came to Istanbul Massoud Master 's mansion and Suleymaniye and came down to Sultan reported on it to Sultan, and after consulting with the state of the proposed works erkan (Crete job, the Navy's work and salary work) accomplish some of the conditions after you have accepted proposals by the commitment and the corresponding Grand Vizier was appointed (1062 Rajab 12 and 19 June 1652).

Tarhucu Ahmed Pasha, honest and working day and night use of violence icraatında Firstly the government wanted to know the income and expenditure, the request was made and the state began to cut costs and in this respect than erkan in consultation with the palace and the other who came forward did not hesitate to cut more costs, and therefore outside the won a lot of domestic enemies. These Sultan and Sultan i Grand Vizier against the action were referred to, finally, a Norouz on the Christmas gifts presented to the sultan invited to the palace while he was with the naval shipyard to work with certainty by sea Hasbahçe'ye himself after entering the girls warlord (Darussaade warlord) and meet with Ahmed Pasha after the seal becomes the Grand Vezir trucker lara whether they are delivered through the drowned (Rebiulâhır 1063 and March 1653). Queen-i âzamlığı is 9 months. His body, the first lord of the Hocazade Musa Pasha 's palace zevcesi taken by man through the Uskudar' s location was buried in a lazy, his death had passed the age of 60.

Tarhuncu Ahmed Pasha, chastity, is known for the accuracy of memory and hearts icraatinde not look at all the effort of balancing the budget won many enemies, Sultan of the proposals, even rejected, and so died, at the time it was mentioned Tarhuncu budget. Financial reform in the first ıslâhatçıdır.

James Michael DuPont (talk) 22:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Xhivan-kapuxubashi sultan-Zade Semin Mehmet Pasha

Xhivan-kapuxubashi sultan-Zade Semin Mehmet Pasha Civankapıcıbaşı Sultanzade Semiz Mehmed Pasha Civankapıcıbaşı_Sultanzade_Semiz_Mehmed_Paşa tr:Civankapıcıbaşı_Sultanzade_Semiz_Mehmed_Paşa (1644–1645) Semiz Mehmet Pasha I. Abraham during the reign of January 31 1644 - 17 December 1645, between one year and ten months and seventeen days Grand Vizier have made health a Ottoman state man.

James Michael DuPont (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Zurnazen Mustafa Pasha

Zurnazen Mustafa Pasha Zurnazen Mustafa Paşa (1656-1656) tr:Zurnazen Mustafa Paşa

Zurnazen Mustafa Pasha Hunter Jack during the reign of March 5 1656 for four hours on Grand Vizier have made health a Ottoman Empire in the history of the state adamıdır.Osmanlı grand vizier for a short period of time the statesman. Evliya Çelebi 's due to the task went to Erzurum's travel to and Erzurum's moment arrived dead. Evliya Celebi as a queen who knows her worth anmış and wished him God's mercy.

James Michael DuPont (talk) 22:52, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Cant find

removing :

• Fehmi Bince-Arnaut
• Sener Mecihan aka Kasabali Pasha
• Nexhip Bej Basha
• Kadi Ali Pasha

James Michael DuPont (talk) 23:04, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Ataturk, et. al.

The article states the list includes "ethnic Albanian people or people of full or partial Albanian ancestry." To exclude Ataturk, one would have to redefine the page to include only pure Albanians (if such a thing exists) and each entry would need to be vetted. There are plenty of sources provided that include Albanian descent for Ataturk. Scr★pIron^IV 14:47, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

The inclusion of Ataturk is needing a clear reliable source, the ones in the article were not verifiable and were claiming possible Albanian ancestry, far from enough. FkpCascais (talk) 17:41, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

@FkpCascais: The lede states: "This is a list of historical and living Albanians (ethnic Albanian people or people of full or partial Albanian ancestry) who are famous or notable, sorted by occupation and name." (emphasis added)

The content you are removing contains the following SIX references to partial Albanian ancestry, thus qualifying him for this list. Please justify your edit-warring to remove sourced content. Scr★pIron^IV 17:49, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

The problem was that we are talking about Ataturk a widely notable historical figure so seemed strange not to have any verifiable one, but by just searching Google books I found more, although there are others putting the issue in question. Reverted myself. Although for me personally seems a bit silly to include in such lists people with remote or unclear origins, seems it is widespread practice, so my mistake. FkpCascais (talk) 17:52, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you; the sources are the only reason I was restoring it. I tend to stay away from Balkans articles. Scr★pIron^IV 18:07, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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