Talk:Reise, Reise

ohne dich

- a note on the commentary for Ohne Dich, note that the song says "lohnen nicht...ohne dich" - I have always interpreted that as "They mean nothing, without you" instead of the current explanation

I disagree. The lines "Mit dir bin Ich auch allein" and "Mit dir stehen die Sekunden" allude to the idea that the singer can be near the subject but still 'disconnected' (dead, cold shoulder, whatever). So the singer's saying that being "Mir dir" doesn't help him. It's also worth noting that the first chorus doesn't say 'Ohne Dich' in the last line. 86.148.12.11 09:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

wrong translation

Though written as a noun, "Reise" is obviously used as a verb in the song. The phrase "Reise, Reise" is used by seamen as a wake-up call and finds its roots in the Middle High German verb "risen", which meant "to rise" (to which it is obviously related as well). This verb has since died out in New High German, though the noun was retained and came to mean "journey" or "voyage". The verb "reisen" was rederived from the noun "Reise", but now means "to journey" or "to travel". It seems the old meaning has been preserved in this phrase in the seaman's language.

Jeremy Williams, [1] --Sadistic monkey 08:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

While "Reise" means "voyage" in German, "Reise reise" has a totally different meaning. It is a piece of a traditional sailors' idiom, is derived from the English word "to rise", does indeed mean "rise!" and is used to wake tha sailors for their watch. Kosebamse 19:16, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

the following copied from User talk:Kosebamse:

Your explanation about the translation of the album Reise, Reise by Rammstein is interesting as it gives a new point of view to the album name for foreigners, for whom the easy translation would be voyage, voyage. For this reason, I'd encourage you to add this information to the articles instead of removing the wrong translation. If you do so, make it a bit more extense in order to make it more comprehensible for everyone (Like saying it could stand for Los, los! in modern German, or something similar). Thanks for making it clear. -KeyStorm 19:57, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I have not added that information because I am not sure whether the album title does indeed refer to the meaning that I have described, or perhaps a pun on it, or perhaps something unrelated. Also, it is not impossible that it title refers to the imperative form of "reisen" (to travel), at least it would be grammatically correct (though it makes little sense). I guess one would have to know the lyrics to decide this question. Kosebamse 20:05, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You're right, I also though it could be Reise (du), reise (du), being then 'travel, travel'. Anyway both are related to be generically translatable as let's go, let's go! wich would make sense for either the old Seemannslied-expression and the imperative. As my German is not as native as I'd wish it to be, you could make a little essay about the name and its translation explaining every option, if you have some time. -KeyStorm 20:28, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Kosebamse (hey, welcome back!) is absolutely right. See the lyrics: it is a song about sailors and sea battles. I'll leave it to you to update the article accordingly. Lupo 16:11, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Good you pointed it out, Lupo (although there was no doubt of the veracity of Kosebamse's translation). You could also add the lyrics to the article, now you found them. It would be nice for thos who haven't heard the song yet.

Lyrics are copyrighted, and quoting them in their entirety goes beyond fair use. At the utmost we could quote a short excerpt. Or just include the link given above as an extlink in the article. Lupo 17:18, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ok, translation changed. Feel free to correct anything if wrong. Thanks for the advice :-)

I still wonder why lyrics are beyond fair use if they are widely extended in the internet without artists complaining about it and seem to me as they should get the same consideration as covers, which is also copyrighted art. WikiProject: Albums even encourages to add real excerpts of some songs, which would also be hold by fair use. Well, I don't see why lyrics shouldn't be fair use, too.-KeyStorm 17:27, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

There is really no point in translating this with "arise, arise" because if there is such a meaning in German it is long lost. Also the song itself does not imply any such meaning but rather speaks of a journey - a journey for the band but also the journey every man has to make in his life. I am native german and this seems to be a over-interpretation in this translation; sometimes the easiest one is the correct one!

"Arise, Arise" seems to make more sense.

Though written as a noun, "Reise" is obviously used as a verb in the song. The phrase "Reise, Reise" is used by seamen as a wake-up call and finds its roots in the Middle High German verb "risen", which meant "to rise" (to which it is obviously related as well). This verb has since died out in New High German, though the noun was retained and came to mean "journey" or "voyage". The verb "reisen" was rederived from the noun "Reise", but now means "to journey" or "to travel". It seems the old meaning has been preserved in this phrase in the seaman's language. (Jeremy Williams. "Reise, Reise". Herzeleid.com. May 29, 2005. http://herzeleid.com/en/lyrics/reise_reise/reise_reise)

And besides, which sounds better? Arise, arise, seaman arise or journey, journey, seaman journey

--Der Sporkmeister 04:24, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

How it sounds in a translation has nothing to do with facts. The correct translation based on actual knowledge of German is "Journey." -Hypernation

Dutch has the verbs "rijzen" (to arise from a seat; the cry "rijzen, rijzen, rijzen" to wake up the crew of a ship (ISBN 90001968228); the rising sun (of Japan); the growing in size of dough) and "reizen" (travel, journey). Erik Warmelink (talk) 21:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

It's probably intended to be both, knowing Rammstein. Los, anyone? --Made2Fade 13:24, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

in german reise,reise are reise,reise not travel,travel this is bad transion pleas correct this david 34 years from germany

It seems to me that if the song reise, reise is indeed about a mutiny on a ship as stated, then clearly reise, reise would be better translated as arise, arise...as in rise up and mutiny.

I am sorry but there is no evidence that the German word Reise has any relation to the meaning of the word Arise. The sailor's song originally quoted refers explicitly to the call to "Journey, Journey". I am amazed how quickly this has spread throughout similar user-edited works online (Answers.com/Everything2 etc) when there is absolutely no citations of real evidence. "Reisen" has a single meaning in German, as "Journey/to journey". And there is no evidence at all about "mutinies" either - so before anyone decides to make up more subjective meanings, I'd suggest we all start consulting German dictionaries (not Dutch ones) and spend less time making up stuff.

I suggest you do that, specifically etymological dictionaries, and you will find out it is you who is making things up. Your claim that "Reise" has a single meaning in German is nonsense, as it ignores the lower German and Frisian dialects. If you had any idea of the German language beyond bare speaking skills, you would know that the modern "High" German is largely based on middle and upper German dialects, which is why lower German is drastically different in many aspects - and in many cases much closer to English, such as in the personal pronoun "he" for high German "er", "water" instead of "Wasser" and many others. And now take a look at a map and tell us where in Germany you find a sea and what dialects were probably spoken at sea... It is no coincidence that the pirates under Störtebeker called themselves "Likedeeler", which is much closer to English "like"/"alike" and "dealer" than modern German "Gleich-Teiler", referring to the fact that everyone would get a like share of the prizes. The "evidence" you ask for is found in hundreds of years of history. But since that won't be enough for you, I'll give you the formerly official authority on German language, the Duden dictionary: http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Reise which cites under the origin BOTH the middle high german "reise": Departure, journey, but also the middle high german "rīsen" - to rise, arise --95.90.117.69 (talk) 15:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

harmonica?

Does Till Lindemann play the harmonica on "Los" (track 5)? Saemikneu (talk) 21:57, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

I changed the translation of the Song Los from Less to Go. I think that is what Rammstein means with it. Something like Go, travel! (Los, reise!) What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.65.218.59 (talk) 20:49, 8 January 2011 (UTC) 91.65.218.59 (talk) 20:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Merging

One of the singles of this album was up for deletion as falling below the inclusion criteria for recordings per WP:MUSIC (which it probably did, not having reached No. 1). It was commented that there was an article on each of several other tracks on the album, including some which had never been released as singles. I have merged all this into this article and left redirects to save the pain of endless AfD debates. Nobody bears any malice against Rammstein, and there is no doubt that the band and its albums pass the notability test. I did the same a while back on another album. This is a general encyclopaedia, not a fanzine, so excessive detail about minor tracks on major albums is generally considered unnecessary unless it has some particular relevance. I hope the merge has preserved the information content. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] (W) AfD? 16:18, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

morgenstern

isn't it the "morning star" a subliminal reference to lucifer? "14:12 How have you fallen from heaven, Lucifer, the morning star? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations." well i think it is. no no i'm not some insane god lover or whatsoever trying to attack the german devil, i just thought it would be intersting to notice that.

It could be, but it doesn't matter in the context of Wikipedia. Interpretations of songs are always subjective, and as such do not belong in Wikipedia entries, unless of course it is a band member or other prominent figure commenting on what it means to them. ~MDD4696 22:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Reise, Reise (song)

Why is there no section for the first track? It's a famous song in its own right, isn't it? My German's not good enough to write a section for it, though. Also, the songs without sections in the "Track Listing" section are just redirects back to this page, or worse, in the case of "Morgenstern," links to a disambiguation page! I'm going to unlink those which do not have sections; if somebody wants to write a section for them, they can put a link to that section in. Foxmulder 18:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it's inappropriate for an encyclopedia article to offer an interpretation of this song that isn't even very common. Technically, it loses it's neutral P.O.V. by doing that (The song's about how we do things different from America? wtf?). The song could be interpreted as how we all live life in different ways, but face the same risks. Or it could be comparing Captain Ahab (of Moby Dick fame) to wartime leaders: in both cases their obsession takes lives. Or it could be about how the sea holds man in no higher a regard than any other creature (Wo Fisch und Fleisch zur See geflochten) and that it imparts those values on those that dwell on the sea. None of these 'opinions' belong on an encyclopedia article, unless the band themselves say that's what the song is about. 86.148.12.11 09:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Different issue, same song

Recently an addition of an interpretation by an unfounded poor translation of the song Reise, Reise was added. It was added by my roomate in attempts to both trick me into believing his ideas, and secondly "prove" that he was in the right. The bit about homosexual undertones. I can understand the idea, but was based on a single line in the song in which was translated from "zum (zu dem) Mann" to "into a man" by an amature translator in England who specifies that his words are the LITERAL meaning as a tool for fans to get a grasp on what is being said, and cannot possibly convey the nuances intended. I'm removing the addition, because the ego of my roomate is at stake.

you're both gay. (vandalism?)

Removed link to custom video

Wikipedia isn't the place for custom video links, it's for official videos only.

cleanup

This article suffers from an unencyclopedic, junior-high tone. Also, it doesn't really make clear whether or not the album really makes JA Flight 123 a central theme, or just haphazardly samples the CVR. --70.108.80.26 10:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Translation of "Flugrekorder, Nicht öffnen"

It's translated as "Do not open flightrecorder", however, the best translation would be "Flightrecorder, Do not open". Not really a big difference. It's more of a word order and punctuation error. 83.163.27.139 (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

"Ahoi Tour" listed at Redirects for discussion

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