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Nationality of Players

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Main page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball § Nationality of Players

Given the fact that baseball is becoming an increasingly more international sport (i.e., more non-U.S. leagues in existence, more non-U.S. players in the MLB), the roster formatting on Wikipedia should probably be updated to reflect that. If you look at the formatting for other international sports (such as soccer), the player nationalities are indicated using flag icons. I think this would be a beneficial update to each of the major league rosters in the MLB, it would not be too difficult to implement and it would not clutter the information on the page. However, before such change a change is implemented, I thought it would be healthy to achieve at least some form of consensus on the talk page for each team. yuristache (talk) 01:10, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

New "History of the Texas Rangers (baseball)" article proposal

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This is long overdue. If the Florida Marlins have a history article, the Rangers definitely should. A rework to differentiate the Washington Senators II era should be done too...maybe make that into its own "History of" article should it warrant it. Arnabdas (talk) 16:27, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removing the politics from the current history section would be a great start. 86.97.92.42 (talk) 15:01, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - FA23 - Sect 202 - Thu

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 6 September 2023 and 14 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Rhiheat (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Rhiheat (talk) 20:07, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 April 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW closed as not moved; opposition to the proposal is substantial and uniform. BD2412 T 19:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– Heya, I have several reasons arguing that the baseball team is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, let’s get into it.

1. The baseball team has gained significant recognition in recent times. Many news outlets such as Fox Sports [1], CNN [2], Forbes [3], and many others recognize the Rangers’ games and franchise for a long time. This has grown significantly thanks to the 2023 World Series which naturally attracted the attention of fans and non-fans. It is clear that moving forward, the Rangers article will receive more attention. 2. The historical significance evident by the fame of Major League Baseball. If you look up “Texas Rangers” on Google or any search engine, you are most likely to find scheduled games, recent news, odds and predictions, shopping, and more, of the MLB franchise. On the other hand, the Law Enforcement Division has not been in major notice (even less the films, architects, etc.) 3. Page view statistics. The MLB team currently has 60,415 page views in the past 30 days (and is expected to have more). The Division has about 44k, a film has 4k, another 317, another 2,561, another 58, a magazine 101, and the architects 131. 4. Naming consistency. This is a factor worth considering for sports teams in the United States and Canada, such as this article. The Texas Rangers are the only sports team from MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLS without its true name as the title on the English Wikipedia.

Moving the title to the requested name would be supported by recognition, historical significance, statistics, and consistency. Thanks for taking the time to consider this RM! DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 20:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. There's no good reason to exclude Texas Ranger Division from the analysis. When the police division is included, there is basically no significant difference in the page views between the police division and the baseball team. There are occasional spikes, but the long term trend shows they are neck and neck. Looking at Wikinav for the dab page shows a significant majority of the outgoing traffic is to the police division. older ≠ wiser 13:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bkonrad Ah, here is why I do not commonly use these information sites: please review your provided information and see how one side of the graph favors the MLB franchise; now the other side favors the Division. I chose the page view statistics because they are a simpler method of calculating the overall attention to the MLB team. Baseball season now supports page view growth for the franchise, especially thanks to the World Series. I have indeed not excluded the Texas Ranger Division from the analysis, contrary to your argument. I would appreciate thorough analysis of my requested move before jumping to conclusions, thanks. DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 19:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    1) You have only one month in you page view statistics. That is extremely misleading when considering long term impact of a move. For all time there is negligible difference. Even limiting to the last two years, the difference is not huge, especially considering the spike around the end of last season. I continue to find your argument unconvincing. older ≠ wiser 19:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The team is expected to gain more significance; it’s true that the police is indeed notable, they just haven’t been much attended to on the internet and on news. Perhaps the MLB team could garner more attention as the baseball season progresses. DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 02:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    2) It is useful to consider the navigation statistics as well. They can show what destinations readers are selecting. If most readers coming to the disambiguation page are selecting the police division, that argues strongly agains making the baseball team the primary topic. older ≠ wiser 20:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, but as mentioned earlier, other forms of information can be misleading and confusing. DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 02:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You chose a one month period. That is entirely inappropriate for basing a decision like this on. older ≠ wiser 22:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So it’s like some kind of rule? I don’t see a flaw with 30 days except that baseball season just started which may not reflect baseball season attention development. DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 02:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per older ≠ wiser (Bkonrad) and #Requested move 4 March 2020. Also note that disambiguation is one of "two main areas [...] that consistency does not control" per WP:CONSISTENT. SilverLocust 💬 16:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @SilverLocust With all due respect, the previous RM doesn’t really support your argument. Most oppositions leaned towards the previous RM’s opposition discussed the Police Division’s 2020 page view counts (which are now completely different 4 years later). To Netholic’s point, I stated why the baseball team has larger significance. To Gonnym, Necrothesp, and Muboshug’s points, please elaborate. To Dale Arnett’s point, just because something is older doesn’t mean they’re more recognized and relevant. And to TXAggie’s point, notability and page views are more prominent; also both articles have educational value. Now to your point, the consistent titling is as follows:
    Disambiguation. For instance, just because Georgia (country) exists, there is no reason to have articles titled, for instance, Azerbaijan (country), Armenia (country), etc. This applies to natural disambiguation, as well; the existence of Querétaro City and Chihuahua City does not mean we have to retitle Guadalajara to Guadalajara City.
    This would not be applicable to the current situation because, as mentioned earlier, the Division would not be likely to be mixed up with the team. Countries and places which are known do not need to have “city” on them, just like how Texas Rangers doesn’t need “baseball”. The Texas Rangers does not need natural disambiguation (or any, for that matter). DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 19:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    the Police Division’s 2020 page view counts (which are now completely different 4 years later) -- in fact, the page views for BOTH the baseball team and the police division have not changed very much. There is a relatively short spike in the baseball team stats at the end of last season, which is to be expected, but the long term views for both are otherwise stable and very close. And I think you are mistaken about what SilverLocust was saying about consistency. If there were no baseball team Texas Rangers Division would almost certainly be titled as simply "Texas Rangers". Simply because the baseball team is the only MLB team with a disambiguated name is NOT a reason to move the article. older ≠ wiser 20:16, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Page views are a great way to determine relevancy, and in this case, the Rangers have obtained it, dominating page views even during long term history. Well yeah no shot the Texas Ranger Division would be titled the Texas Rangers; but that’s not remotely related to my point. Yeah “simply” would never cut it, I’m trying to be consistent with team names (using media and internet, page view statistics, and recent events to back up my claim), ensuring every team name can be easily accessible and displayed appropriately on the English Wikipedia. DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 02:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. There is a recentism bias in this move request. The Texas Rangers police organization has a much longer history, not to mention four films and a couple of TV series that deal directly with it. It is absurd to think the baseball team is the primary topic. Spanneraol (talk) 21:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Spanneraol Ouch, at least explain the bias, please. Please view my third point in my RM, it would help you understand why I discarded them. Yes, the police have a longer history, but the baseball team has more significance (especially recently). DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 12:41, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still recency bias... the police organization has much more significance.. using page view statistics is not a good way to view that... the Texas Rangers have been a part of Texas culture since the 19th century.. Hollywood has made several films and TV shows about them.. the baseball team was named for the police organization. They had a spike in interest when they won the world series but thats not long term interest. Spanneraol (talk) 13:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok why does the Police organization have more significance? I not only explained why the MLB team would be likely to rise in views bus I also made 3 other points. Yeah, the Police Division is older, but have their films and tv shows gained any sort of significance recently, or at all? The Houston Astros are named after the Astrodome, that doesn’t mean “Houston Astros” has to disambiguate to many terms. DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 02:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Astros dont have the same name as the Astrodome.. it's distinguished enough. The Texas Rangers are a famous police force in Texas... they feature heavily in the Walker (TV series), itself a reboot of Walker, Texas Ranger. Just having shows and movies on a subject is because it was a significant subject to begin with. In fact the Lone Ranger was a former Texas Ranger. Not everyone is a baseball fan, more people are familiar with the Texas Rangers as lawmen... and yes if anything should be the primary topic it is that.Spanneraol (talk) 03:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah but there’s just one thing: the Texas Rangers AREN’T a famous police force in Texas; their notability and relevancy has gone down in recent times (which, of course, would also apply to their films and media). It wasn’t that significant, and the Lone Ranger makes little difference of prominence. In these current days, the team has grown in popularity, while the police haven’t. Now I’m not calling the PD obsolete, just not a really relevant subject. Ok prove that more people recognize the police over the team, not everyone is a law enforcement fan. A change to make the police the primary topic would be completely recognizing a subject with little notability and activity in recent times. DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 13:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how old you are or where you are from... but you are clearly new to wikipedia.. you have lost this argument and not a single person has taken your side.... time to move on. and yes the Texas Rangers are a famous police force... currently featured on Walker every week. Spanneraol (talk) 21:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how old you are or where you are from That relates to this situation how? Wikipedia isn’t about winning or losing, and the RM is still open. Nad, even if the result is Not moved, I wouldn’t be bothered, contrary to your belief. Yes, but the baseball team is more prominent. DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 23:21, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

A separate Washington Senators (1961–1971) article

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Please see the WikiProject Baseball talk page for discussion involving the creation of a separate Washington Senators (1961–1971) article. Spesh531(talk, contrib., ext.) 16:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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