Talk:Little Rock, Arkansas

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Rewrite, Cleanup, Additions, and Reorganization

In comparing Little Rock's wiki to similar sized or larger cities, there are some distinct formatting issues and unusually specific information found in the main Little Rock article I feel we could all easily fix. I believe Tulsa, Oklahoma and Memphis, Tennessee's articles provide good examples for overall article flow. The article is currently full of lists, and is very lengthy and likely uninteresting to people viewing the article that may not be familiar with some of the extra detail provided in several sections. I'd like to recommend that we make new articles for Neighborhoods of Little Rock, Arkansas, History of Little Rock, Arkansas, and possibly Media of Little Rock, Arkansas so that we can shorten and clean up the overall article. A brief summary of each section, like those found in Tulsa, Oklahoma or other city articles with a link to the new, main articles for that section would greatly improve flow and allow us to go more in depth on those subjects, particularly History and Media, which are currently little more than large lists. The history section deserves a complete rewrite and more detail, especially considering Little Rock's history as the state capitol, important location in the civil rights movement, and economic influence due to the history with the river, rail, and other industries. The Economy section is a list of rankings at the end, which could be more incorporated into a slightly expanded version of that section. There is certainly more to write about Little Rock's economy than is currently listed there. A significant problem is a shortage of sources throughout the article- please cite existing sections you can provide verification to and add citations as the article is updated. I will be working on these as time allows, but wanted to post these observations and ask for your help in making these updates and improvements to the Little Rock article. Thanks- Mmcnell (talk) 03:37, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Why does the History section only have one sub-section titled 'Prehistory'? Valetude (talk) 13:13, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Untitled

Wondering how to edit this U.S. City Entry?
The WikiProject U.S. Cities standards might help.

What is the value of designating Pulaski Academy as poor "quality", at least without any other supporting arguements?

Climate

I'd love it if this article had a climate section. I heard Arkansas might be an ideal place to live in an energy crisis --James Howard Kunstler

I added a few charts for various meteorological data in the area, in addition to some history and other miscellaneous background to the article. It's my first edit, so please let me know how I did, any feedback would be great. --Gundam785

Meanest City

I think it's of note to mention that Little Rock is ranked number three in the nation for cruelty toward the homeless / http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10823343/

(other cities like Dallas have added it to their wiki's, merely a suggestion)

It also seems odd to not mention the former gang problems and perhaps even HBO's Bangin' in Little Rock

Aside from actual crime statistics, the suggested information would not be appropriate. Rankings and Hollywood productions are too biased for this application. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blakepotts (talk • contribs) 18:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

There used to be a crime section on here but I understand that some people were mad that it was placed on here, even though Little Rock has had a high crime and gang member rate for over 20 years now. I think its the city thats embarrassed that they still have not got the situation under control. Euphoniuswhale (talk) 09:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

City Logo

I was thinking of uploading the "LR" logo (as seen on the newer street signs, among other places), but before I did, I was wondering if anyone knows if that would be a (potential) copyright violation? (For an example of the logo I'm talking about, look at http://www.littlerock.org/ -- the green and white "LR" logo at the very top-left of the page). -- xlrar 22:03, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

The logo is a trademark of the City of Little Rock and claims exclusive copyrights to the image.MagicJigPipe (talk) 04:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Tallest Buildings

Hi everyone, hailing from Brisbane Austalia. The tallest building section on this article adds no value and should be removed. Lists of anything like this reduce the quality of the article. But the reason I am here is an anon IP user who is based in and regularly edits Little Rock has been creating quite a problem. I hope he/she reads this, and halts their vandalism of Brisbane by re-adding the Tallest Building section. They are also removing other editors changes. We have reverted his change 5+ times so far, but have not managed to get the message through that the list is not a good thing. Rimmeraj 21:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree that a tallest building section on the main page is not necessary, but Little Rock is missing a "cityscape" section, commonly found in most cities, which would be an appropriate place to talk about their recent downtown growth and link to the list of tallest buildings in Little Rock. Mmcnell 22:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Does Little Rock have sidewalks?

Does Little Rock have sidewalks? Could someone answer me this?

Little Rock could use more sidewalks, Most major streets and in the downtown area have decent sidewalks. Many of the neighborhood streets, especially West of University Ave. only have curbing and the only options is to walk on the grass or in the road! Strangely, almost all the city streets do have curbs, unlike many larger cities in the United States. -Former resident

You are more than welcome to pay for them. --The_stuart 02:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

"You are more than welcome to pay for them." Wow, what an obnoxious thing to say.131.229.61.31 (talk) 14:09, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Bénard or Bernard?

I've seen on many other websites his name spelled thus:

Jean Baptiste Bénard de La Harpe (Jean Baptiste being is first name and Bénard de La Harpe his last).

I'm afraid that there's a confusion here. Bénard is really close to the french first name Bernard, and I think that people hearing about him as "Bénard de La Harpe" might have thought that Bénard was his misspelled first name.

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/explorers/page/l/laharpe.shtml

It's the first time that I write such a comment and I hope that I did it correctly and that it will be useful.

T —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.95.132.143 (talk) 16:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

Brooks Robinson Greatest Third baseman?

I don't think it's generally agreed that Brooks Robinson is the greatest third baseman of all time, but I would agree with the statement that he'd be considered by many to be the greatest defensive third baseman of all time. I would wager that many would rank Mike Schmidt ahead of Robinson as an all around player. Mikevegas40 08:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I am surprised that this misstatement is still an open item three years after the post above. It seems to me that Wikipedia's own pages contradict the statement. On the page The Sporting News List of Baseball's Greatest Players, Robinson is listed behind four other third basemen: Mike Schmidt, George Brett, Eddie Mathews, and Pie Traynor. The Sporting News is a very reputable source. Either the article should be changed to say either "one of the greatest third basemen" or "the greatest defensive third baseman". Clove0106 (talk) 16:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Crime

Shouldn't this article have a crime section? Little Rock was named the 9th most dangerous city in the nation by cnnmoney.com (higher than Trenton and Baltimore!). http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/30/real_estate/Most_dangerous_cities/index.htm

Does anyone want to help me with this section? Mmace91 22:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Like I posted up above nobody wants to help you, Little Rock is already embarrassed it still ranks in the top ten in crime 15 years after they had more murders and gang members per capita than any other city in America. It's a problem that few people want to address. . its just part of life of little rock now. Euphoniuswhale (talk) 09:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm ambivalent about the idea of a crime secion, but the section as it exists right now is useless. Crime rates have risen compared to what? Crime rates in 1850? 1992? The second sentence is a grammatical abortion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.54.193.27 (talk) 09:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

A crime section should be added and made objectively factual. Article links to "most dangerous cities" lists are acceptable as long as they aren't spun and are simply mentioned as part of the section. Crime would be well placed under a "Law and Government" type section as seen in Memphis, Tennessee, Dallas, Texas, or any other city article with a similar section. Why this article is missing one is beyond me. Mmcnell 22:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

External Links

This section was entirely out of control with non-useful links. I was considering how to deal with it when Leuko deleted the entire section. While this might seem extreme, I suspect it was the best solution under the circumstances. Relevant, informative links can now be added back individually...Doc Tropics 00:46, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

While most of the links may be useful in a travel guide, I didn't feel that they were particularly encyclopedic. I agree that a limited number of appropriate links should be added back in as needed. Leuko 00:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I whole-heartedly agree. As does Wikpedia policy. Gruber76 21:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Notable people

I have twice now removed redlinks under the notable people heading. If these people are so notable, they should have articles, if they are not notable to have articles, they shouldn't be here. Corvus cornix 15:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC) Facts are just that,facts and I found an in accuracy in your facts,John LeCompt was not born in Little Rock, he moved there in 1993. It is pointed out that Amy Lee was born in California,not Arkansas , so the same accuracy should be given to this man's biography , as is hers . R. LeC 17:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

    You are correct, however, it should also be noted that she spent much of her childhood in Little Rock (Maumelle
    specifically).  And just because there is no Wikipedia article on someone does not mean they aren't notable.  I mean, 
    James Madison didn't have a page for a while when Wikipedia first started; did that mean that he wasn't notable until
    someone made his page?  Your reasoning is fallacious in that you are attributing someone's notability to something
    that it has nothing to do with.  MagicJigPipe (talk) 18:47, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I have heard that once you have been a President of the United States, you are always called "President." The denotation of "former President" is therefore incorrect. Blue medium (talk) 17:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

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Not one word about the "Little Rock Nine" Story on this side

If you hear about this town in far away countries, you hear the story obout the 9 black childs who coudn´t go to school, without the us-army, because the people of this town don´t want, that there go on a normal school with white children. I think, its would be realy good for wikipedia, to say that this story is a part of the history from little Rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.96.54.2 (talk) 15:21, 3 February 2011 (UTC) Is that why you can not write an understandable sentence? Please just let it go. It is over and everyone has moved on. A little grammar instruction would perhaps alow you to do a better job of expressing your opinion. I never heard a story about 9 black "childs". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.165.139.38 (talk) 14:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I would be interested in writing a section on the Little Rock 9 with 188.96.54.2 or anyone else wanting to write this section for the Little Rock page. Junipel (talk) 22:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Crime?

This article really needs a crime section. Others have pointed this out. Since Little Rock is a mid-size southern city, I assume it has high crime, as just about all southern cities of around 200,000 people seem to have (Baton Rouge, Birmingham, etc.).131.229.61.31 (talk) 13:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

 Done Written previously, but I updated it today as much was taken verbatim from a news source. Also, it had 62 homicides in 1992, but I could only verify 61, so that is what it currently reflects. RM2KX (talk) 22:09, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

CENSUS 2010

Census 2010 stats are wrong. I don't know how to reference the following link: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/05/0541000.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.221.174.18 (talk) 14:45, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Little Rock, Arkansas

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 06:48, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

New Crime Section

This new section seems fairly unbalanced. It only covers a narrow range of years (not even reaching the present), uses a single source (it's essentially one long quote from it), and de-emphasizes the normalcy of the increase in crime: "Perhaps just as startling is that what is happening in Little Rock mirrors what is happening in small- and medium-size cities across the country."

I don't think this section should stay as-is. I invite anyone feeling up to it to flesh it out, and will take a stab at it myself in a week or so. Mechordeus (talk) 04:36, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

A year later... I updated it just now, but not much. See "Crime?" section above. RM2KX (talk) 22:11, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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I dispute the neutrality of the Etymology section.

To NPOV-ify the Etymology section, I was trying to change this;

Etymology

Little Rock derives its name from a small rock formation on the south bank of the Arkansas River called la Petite Roche (French: "the little rock"). The "little rock" was used by early river traffic as a landmark and became a well-known river crossing. The "little rock" is across the river from "big rock," a large bluff at the edge of the river, which was once used as a rock quarry.

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into this;

Etymology

Little Rock derives its name from a small rock formation on the south bank of the Arkansas River called la Petite Roche (French: "the little rock"). The "little rock" was used by early river traffic as a landmark and a river crossing. The "little rock" is across the river from "big rock," a large bluff at the edge of the river, which was used as a rock quarry. The Our Historical City page on the Little Rock website writes;

"Little Rock had become a well-known crossing when the Arkansas territory was established in 1819."

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I believe that any non-neutral, potentially bias-introducing, editorially biased, or opinion-like statements must be put in quotes and attributed to cited reliable sources. But DVdm seems to not like my revision.

Wikipedia should not praise or demean anything, and should not tell readers that anything is true or false, and should not express any favor or contempt for anything. Wikipedia should be neutral, in an impartial tone and explain the sides without any unfair biasing. If Acme Encyclopedia says that "Wikipedia is famous for being the largest encyclopedia in the world.". The article shouldn't say Being the largest encyclopedia in the world, Wikipedia is famous for such achievement. It should say a more neutral and impartial "Wikipedia is famous for being the largest encyclopedia in the world", according to Acme Encyclopedia.^[1] Although Wikipedia should give some undue weight on things. Wikipedia should not highlight or emphasize on anything. We should add in facts for Wikipedia but words like well-known, world-famous and notable are unnecessary words that their omission or quotification would improve the factuality or truthiness of statements in Wikipedia articles. --Turkeybutt (talk) 16:09, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

References

Per wp:verifiability, when a proper reliable source says that X is well-known, then Wikipedia can say that X is well-known. - DVdm (talk) 16:20, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Where on WP:VERIFY does it say that articles can say that potentially non-neutral expressions are allowed to be directly written down if a cited source makes such statements? It tells us we can use facts if such facts are stated on cited reliable sources. But how do we know for sure if something is well-known or not? Well-known may be used in promotional material, advertisements, tourism commercials, election campaigns and other biased or non-neutral mediums. If the Bible says that Jesus is Lord and Savior, that shouldn't be used as an excuse to just plop the statement on an article about Christianity and just cite the Bible. You have to write that the Bible says so. Otherwise the people who don't believe that Jesus is Lord and Savior would be offended. Wikipedia should also not be used as a soapbox to promote anything.

PS. Well-known is subjective. PSY and Gangnam Style may be well-known in South Korea but not so well-known in North Korea. Why should Wikipedia be subject to potential editorial bias? --Turkeybutt (talk) 16:35, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

PSS. Wikipedia can say that X is well known but it shouldn't state that directly. I think that the statement that X is well-known should be reserved for quotation and attributed to a cited reliable source. --Turkeybutt (talk) 16:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

PSSS. From the Neutrality section on Verifiability and other principles on WP:VERIFY;

Even when information is cited to reliable sources, you must present it with a neutral point of view (NPOV). All articles must adhere to NPOV, fairly representing all majority and significant-minority viewpoints published by reliable sources, in rough proportion to the prominence of each view. Tiny-minority views need not be included, except in articles devoted to them. If there is disagreement between sources, use in-text attribution: "John Smith argues that X, while Paul Jones maintains that Y," followed by an inline citation. Sources themselves do not need to maintain a neutral point of view. Indeed, many reliable sources are not neutral. Our job as editors is simply to summarize what the reliable sources say.

PSSSS. I think it could've been said like this; "John Smith says that X, while Paul Jones states that Y," Because on WP:SAID; Said, stated, described, wrote, commented, and according to are almost always neutral and accurate. Extra care is needed with more loaded terms.

--Turkeybutt (talk) 16:45, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Please indent talk page messages as outlined in wp:THREAD and wp:INDENT. Thanks.

I'll leave this to other article contributors - DVdm (talk) 16:48, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Here is another thing to justify my NPOV-ising contribution to this article, from WP:PEACOCK;

Peacock example:

Bob Dylan is the defining figure of the 1960s counterculture and a brilliant songwriter.

Just the facts:

Dylan was included in Time's 100: The Most Important People of the Century, where he was called "master poet, caustic social critic and intrepid, guiding spirit of the counterculture generation".^[1] By the mid-1970s, his songs had been covered by hundreds of other artists.^[2]

--Turkeybutt (talk) 17:18, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

PSSSS. From WP:NPOV;

• Avoid stating opinions as facts. Usually, articles will contain information about the significant opinions that have been expressed about their subjects. However, these opinions should not be stated in Wikipedia's voice. Rather, they should be attributed in the text to particular sources, or where justified, described as widespread views, etc. For example, an article should not state that genocide is an evil action, but it may state that genocide has been described by John X as the epitome of human evil.

So is a well-kmown river crossing could've been has been described by the city's website's Our Historic City page as "a well-known [river] crossing". Do you agree? --Turkeybutt (talk) 17:29, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

In this case, perhaps, yes. On the other hand, "Our Historic City" is not a really notable entity, so mentioning it could be wp:undue. I personnally don't think it is necessary. - DVdm (talk) 17:57, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

The source cited describes it as "well known". Changing the wording or putting "well known" in quotes is not necessary. The edit is perfectly neutral. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:55, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

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Possible History

I found a site that can be used for history. It is very detailed and the URL is e[http://ncyclopediaofarkansas.net/entries/little-rock-970/ Editor123ALOP (talk) 19:29, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Possible History

I found a very detailed page about the history of arkansas. I can not add it scince i am busy doing other things so someone else needs to do this. The URL is [http://encyclopediaofarkansas.net/entries/little-rock-970/ encyclopediaofarkansas.net/entries/little-rock-970/]

I want to know why I see drones every night I feel like I’m living in a fish bowl I have no privacy at all

What’s up with the drones I see them why I’m in Conway 2600:100B:B107:FA94:39A5:D866:1BF9:E4B (talk) 07:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Clean Up

I am proposing some clean ideas such as splitting the transportation in Little Rock into its own article. List of people from Little Rock, Arkansas has its own article so the reminder of list on the main article of Little Rock can be moved into the separate article.Cwater1 (talk) 18:09, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Cammack Village

Is there any way that someone can edit the interactive map so it shows that Cammack Village is an enclave of Little Rock? NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 08:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)