Talk:Útgarðar

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Is this correct? I always thought that the giants' world was Jotunheim and that Utgard is the capital city thereof? I may be wrong of course. sjc

Could use some looking into. I'll put it into the "things to do" basket. If you find something conclusive, edit verbosely please :-). Anders Torlind

After some brief fact-finding i conclude that you are absolutely correct. I'll change the entry accordingly.

Yes; but I can see how the confusion arose, with all the other -gards being the homelands of the relevant folk. sjc

Right O. Ive put a little disclaimer on the pages in any case. Let's see if some guru pops out of the woodworks. Anders Torlind

Here's some secondary source information: Snorri Sturlusson in the Gylfaginning: "[..]And you do not have very far to go on to the castle called Utgard.[..]" sjc

Blah! Darn those oral traditions. Lets bear with the disclaimer a couple of days and see if anuthing else pops out. If not, the current version remains without the disclaimer. Ok? Btw, could you do a piece on Norse Mythology and its spread across the nordic countries, displacing the Nerthus cult? I simply don't know enough to do it :-) --Anders Torlind

Yes, but I'd have to do a fair bit of research to make it worthwhile. Let me see what I can round up in the way of resources before I commit myself. sjc

I think we can safely say that Jotunheim and Utgard are not coterminous. There seem to be many references to the citadel-like nature of Utgard and to the land of Jotunheim, and very few the other way around. sjc

Jutenheim is the land of the giants, Utgard is the stronghold. Gelsamel

Please reread the main entry. It does not explain what Útgarðar is at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.135.91 (talk) 16:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please reread the main entry. It does not explain what Útgarðar is at all, only explaining that whatever it is, it "surrounds a stronghold of the giants", and "are associated with Útgarða-Loki". It doesn't say what the heck Útgarða is at all... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.135.91 (talk) 16:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's the source for there being more than one Útgarð? According to Simek's Dictionary of Northern Mythology, it's a land or place ("the area of the world outside the part inhabited by gods and men"), not just a generic name for a giant stronghold. It's specifically the name of Utgard-Loki's castle in Gylfaginning, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily used for other such castles. Also, the final sentence in the current entry is maddeningly vague and unsourced. A version of Norse cosmology that only has three worlds? Where's that found? Greyhawk Grognard —Preceding undated comment added 23:18, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We really need to figure this out, otherwise the pages on the worlds are possibly literated with misinformation. Is it another name for Jötunheimr or just the name of Utgarða-Loki's castle/stronghold? How many places is Útgarð/Útgarðar mentioned outside of Gylfaginning? In actual Old Norse sources? What about the Icelandic sagas? Although I'd trust them less since they came during Christinization. But so did the Prose Edda, although it was largely based on much older material, including the orally transfered skaldic poems, and Eddic poems. Here in Denmark many people also think Utgarð is the main world of the jötnar. Or that it is somehow a collection of several "worlds" or "realms", of different jötnar, but most people still say just "Jötunheimr", and a few does say the other name is for the stronghold. Anyway, let's do this! Now or soon. --Luka1184 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked, and from what I see, there is *not*. This page needs to be changed. It's only one place, and that place is Útgarða-Loki's stronghold. --Luka1184 (talk) 00:38, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]