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On 24 October 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Peruvian Inca Orchid. The result of the discussion was not moved.

How many breeds?

AKC and UKC regonize (at least provisionally) the Peruvian Inca Orchid. None of the English-language KCs seem to recognize Peruvian Hairless Dog. According to The New Encyclopedia of the Dog (Fogle), there are separate breeds distinguished primarily by skin color and size:

Peruvian Inca Orchid aka Moonflower Dog aka Perro Flora has white or pinkish skin primarily
Inca Hairless Dog (Miniature) aka Peruvian Hairless have dark skin and are 9-18 lbs
Inca Hairless Dog (Grande) aka Peruvian Hairless Dog, Perro Sin Pelo del Peru is mostly solid colr of either black or dark brown and weighs 26-55 lbs
Inca Hairless Dog (Medio) aka Peruvian Hairless Dog aka Perro Sin Pelo del Peruand is 18-26 lbs

The Encyclopedia of Dog Breeds' (Cunliffe) lists

Hairless Dog (from Peru) aka Peruvian Harless Dog aka Inca Hairless
but notes "another Peruvian breed is the Inca Orchid but some people consider this the same breed..." and "In the Inca Orchid there are two varieties--hairless and coated..."

So I'm separating these breeds into at least into the Peruvian Hairless Dog and the Peruvian Inca Orchid. Elf | Talk 21:54, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Kim Possible

In Kim Possible, the "side kick" Ron Stoppable has a "Naked Mole Rat" which he enters in a dog show under the guise of a "Peruvian Hairless". I'm wondering if this information is usable in this article? Gohst 04:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, not applicable to this article - maybe in the Kim Possible article. - Trysha ^(talk) 10:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Inca Orchid and Peruvian Hairless

Some background about these differences, and why I think it should not be separated.

The Inca Orchid, is an american (US) breed, which derived from Peruvian Hairless dogs, imported from Peru. Some people got these dogs and decided to breed a kind of dog that is not liked in Peru. With fluffy hair and a lot of spots.

Some years later, some Peruvian guys came with an official standard for Peruvian Hairless Dogs, taken from what is mostly liked in Peru. This type of dog is oficially recognized by the FCI.

In the US and England, which are not under FCI rules, no hairless breed is recognized. So you can not show in oficial shows. In the US, there is a class in which you can show your hairless dog. This is called "rare breeds". Which is not an oficially recognised catagory, but semi recognised. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

And even than, the Inca Orchid is not in this list. hi So what's the use of splitting the 2 diversities?

The other subject, about the difference in size: in the oficial standards, there is no difference between the different sizes of dogs. Neither in in posture, nor in name. The name is Peruvian Hairless Dog. Other names are not official. Including the use of "Inca" in the name. These dog where no Inca dogs. They lived in the Indian cultures before the Inca's. Later on the Inca's adopted them. In Peru, nobody calls these dogs Inca dogs. But often they are called Perro Chimu or Perro Mochica, to the cultures that lived before the Inca's.

To me it seems you have to extend your knowledge, before you write about this subject. Wouldn't it be better to wait for a more experienced person to write this article?

News Article for Reference

Here's a news article with a photo of one that looks quite different from the photos in the Wikipedia article -- less of an elegant body shape and the distinctive hairdo.

I wonder if this is the natural type and the show dog type has been specially bred in recent years for elegance?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2559928,00.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.7.19.78 (talk) 06:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

This is indeed an example of the "type" hairless dog, instead of the "breed" hairless dog. I know the dog there, we have foto's of him too. Is is wonderfully constructed and has a full set of teeth (which is very rare). But his father is not a hairless dog, but just some coated dog that is not related to hairless dogs.

This type of dog can be encountered a lot in Peru. Especially in the ruins at the coast where there is an obligatory rule that hairless dogs should be kept in the ruins. Problems with this kind of dogs is, that you cannot predict it's decendants. Often this dogs give puppies with very short legs, that look like a dachshund in stead of a sighthound. vanzetti 18:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that dog is refered to as a Hairless Khala.. --Ltshears (talk) 19:20, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why not seperate.

Why are the Peruvian Hairless and Peruvian Inca Orchid not seperate breeds on Wikipedia? But they are seperate breeds in my dog book --Ltshears (talk) 22:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also i have been told by a Hairless Khala owner that the Perro sin del peru is also a seperate breed.. So they are actually 3 seperate breeds.. The Peruvian Inca Orchid (a US breed), the Inca Hairless Dog and the Perro sin del peru.. I wish someone who had knowledge on these breeds could comment on whether this is true or not. It seems that most online sites lump all 3 together as the same breed. and i have found a few who seperate them, but unsure on what is the correct way. Thanks --Ltshears (talk) 21:49, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

it seems that until this can be determined i suposse they should stay lumped together. --Ltshears (talk) 22:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fully-coated picture

It'd be nice to include a picture of the fully-coated version. Tad Lincoln (talk) 09:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Genetic Makeup

a 2:1 hairless to hair ratio would indicate that hairlessness is homozygous lethal and dominant, not recessive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.71.10.207 (talk) 00:01, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Frost 20:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peruvian Hairless Dog → Peruvian Inca Orchid – Clear WP: COMMONNAME: Other sources call it "Peruvian Inca Orchid" rather than "Peruvian Hairless Dog." Kolano123 (talk) 19:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Hairless Dog is more common on Scholar and I have seen hairless dog more often in vet literature. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The present title is what it's called by the FCI and all(?) sources in the page other than the AKC. What evidence can you provide that the proposed new name is in fact predominant? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:33, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.