Talk:Tahoma (typeface)

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I turned this article into a disambiguation page to clear up some of the mess in the article. Max naylor 15:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Info from Verdana. --/Mat 19:31, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Tahoma is not used in Windows ME

This sight sucks...it gave me absolutely no information that i wanted. You need to give up and never make another page. MS Sans Serif for its system font. --Kuroki Mio 2006 22:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Response to Kuroki : Tahoma is, in fact, used in Windows Me. It was the Windows screen font beginning with Windows 95 and continuing in all consumer ant NT-based versions of Windows until it was replaced by Segoe UI (which remains the screen font in Windows 10). Even after Tahoma was no longer the screen font, it continued to be bundled with Windows as a TrueType font.

But aside from that, your derogatory comments are not helpful. This site is a wiki maintained by users who volunteer their time to contribute to it. If you don't like the content of this page, rather than bashing the people who have contributing it, you can take the time to do the research elsewhere and, when you've found the answers, add them to this page so that they will help other users.

I leave you with two quotes from George Bernard Shaw to ponder:

"People are always blaming circumstances for what they are. I do not believe in circumstances. The people that get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and if they cannot find them, they make them." - George Bernard Shaw

"This is the true joy in life, the being used for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one . . . the being a force of nature rather than a feverish, selfish little clod of ailments and grievances complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy." - George Bernard Shaw — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:E03:EBC0:3C5E:44EA:F4C7:680C (talk) 02:05, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Humanist

Tahoma is a humanist sans-serif typeface designed by [...]

What is a humanist typeface? --Abdull 08:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

To Abdull: I see that someone has hyperlinked the words "humanist sans-serif" in the first paragraph to a Wikipedia definition of humanist typefaces. Hopefully that addresses this question and this question can be removed. (I won't delete it myself because I don't know what the rules are for when it is appropriate to delete a "Talk" section.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:E03:EBC0:3C5E:44EA:F4C7:680C (talk) 02:09, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

License of the linked font?

Does anyone know the license of the linked font?

I didn't find anything on the Microsoft website. Would be nice to note it here, so people can see if it is legal for them to download and use the font. --Gnypsl (talk) 09:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

No - http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/font.aspx?FID=19&FNAME=Tahoma says that it is an ascender font - See EULA http://www.ascenderfonts.com/info/EULA.aspx Rombust (talk) 11:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

"grave design flaw"

"The font typeface contains a grave design flaw: The left double quotation mark (“, Unicode U+201C) is tilted to the left, making the font unsuitable for German and some other European languages."

This may need some explanation, as I have trouble seeing the problem. Links to left double quote, and german language/spelling do not hint at a difference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redoubts (talk • contribs) 08:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

This assertion is wrong, it has no citation, and it doesn't even make sense; as the comment above points out, the links to other wikipedia entries do not back up this claim in any way. Some googling about Tahoma and design flaws or quotation glyphs didn't even turn up evidence that this is at least a widely held wrong assertion. I'm just going to delete it. Mtiffany (talk) 20:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you didn't delete the assertion. For a reference, there is http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahoma or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdana or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Courier_(Schriftart) The problem is common to Tahoma, Verdana, Corbel and Courier New; not to any other fonts, that I know of. For information on German usage of quotation marks, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English_usage_of_quotation_marks The problem applies, in the four fonts named, to the glyphs for U+201C (left double quotation mark) and U+2018 (left single quotation mark). German uses these Unicode characters to CLOSE quotations, and this works perfectly for any fonts which render them as 'high-6' glyphs, as almost all fonts do. The four problem fonts render them as left-leaning wedges, which are unacceptable as end-of-quotation markers, as I think even non-readers of German can appreciate; the problem is the left-inclination, not the wedge-shape. You have only to imagine a font where U+201D, used in English to close a quotation, is rendered by left-leaning wedges; I would not expect readers of English to tolerate such a font. This problem makes these four fonts unusable for German, and probably for the 10 other languages, including Russian, which are alleged on the English wikipedia page mentioned above to use the German conventions for quoting, but I have no experience in reading those languages. It is sometimes suggested that Germans should use a different character, usually U+201D (double) or U+2019 (single), to close their quotations, in order to get a better — though still possibly not right — shape in these problem fonts, but this is unworkable as the text would then look wrong if the font were changed to any font outside the four, and also computer processing of the text would be compromised. I find it surprising that the Germans have not produced their own versions of these four fonts, with different glyphs at U+201C and U+2018. 95.146.35.120 (talk) 14:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia, in whatever language, cannot be used as a source. We need a third-party source for this assertion, otherwise, it must be deleted. — Edokter (talk) — 15:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Comic Sans MS is added to the list of problem fonts.

More references:

For German use of quotation marks: http://rechtschreibrat.ids-mannheim.de/download/regeln2006.pdf, para. 89–95

For the unsuitability of Tahoma/Verdana/Courier New/Corbel/Comic Sans MS:

http://www.mail-archive.com/unicode@unicode.org/msg12536.html (this message has been archived in Courier New, one of the fonts it lists as faulty; you need to paste it and change font)

http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/quotation-marks.html (problem fonts are highlighted)

http://www.heckmeck.de/computerstuff/anfzeichen/ (Verdana and Courier New are described as "kaputt" – broken)

http://unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2006-m06/thread.html#102 (thread: Glyphs for German quotation marks; a depressing argument between users of German and non-users)

http://webdesign.crissov.de/Typografie/Zitieren#lieberandersrum (problem fonts named in section "Mir muss ja nicht alles gefallen"; large parts of this document also show in a faulty font)

http://www.tech-archive.net/Archive/German/Word/microsoft.public.de.word/2005-07/threads.html#00532 (thread includes the result of a consultation with the WAHRIG-Sprachberatung)

95.146.35.120 (talk) 19:34, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Usage of Tahoma on Facebook

Tahoma is not the default font on Facebook (even though it may have been in the past). The correct default font is Lucida Grande. --24.241.49.184 (talk) 21:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I think Lucida Grande is default for Mac OS X, and Tahoma for Windows and Linux. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolzrock (talk • contribs) 17:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

white heart suit

Someone looks for source of white heart suit flaw. The source is actually the font itself. I can't upload here due to character map software licenses. I uploaded elsewhere instead. See this and this. These are from Windows 10. I can't tell if you are able to see the flaw in other versions. --Octra Bond (talk) 00:09, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, none of those links or searches yield any support for your assertion. You may have a faulty version installed, or your character mapping is corrupted. I'm removing it once again. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 09:08, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

• Did you really see picture in the links I gave? They are the screenshots from Windows's charmap and BabelMap from one who works with Unicode. And I am showing what is contained in U+2661 of Tahoma.
• Do you think that it happen only my machine? I see it on every computer I use. The font is the version 6.91 comes from Windows without modification. You might see common heart on a browser but it is caused by the browser displaying another font. And I see ≡ instead of heart when selecting Tahoma. (Its creator doesn't even make other playing card suits from U+2660 to U+2667.) I still assure that it is the font's issue.
• Try to make an HTML file with this content (click edit to see source):

<font face="Tahoma">♡</font><br><font face="Tahoma">≡</font>

Then open the file directly, or via a browser. Tell me what you see. --Octra Bond (talk) 12:16, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

I have done so and much more. I'm a bit of a font geek, so I 'know what I'm talking about. The Windows 8 version (5.25) does not have this fault. Upon further investigation, it does not contain the suits, so it is being substituted. But I also cannot confirm anywhere online that 6.91 is affected this way. Therefor, you need to provide a third-party source to confirm this, otherwisde it just ammounts to personal observation. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 15:21, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Well. Then. If you have a font editor, go to the glyph ≡ and you will see that the glyph is mapped to 2 codepoints: U+2661 and U+2261. I give up to put it up since no one seems to talk about this out there. --Octra Bond (talk) 12:53, 21 March 2016 (UTC)