Talk:Beethoven's Last Night

There's a number of additional Beethoven allusions through BLN, but I'll have to listen again to the album and do some research to make sure I've got all the right pieces.--patton1138 00:27, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The article refers to Beethoven's wife (Artistic Liberties). The liner notes say Theresa is the "Immortal Beloved", but not his wife. Have I missed something out, or is the article wrong here?

I just noticed that too. Beethoven's "immortal beloved" is a well known historical mystery. I've added a reference to this effect. Raul654 00:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As an aside, I had always thought of Twist's name and being the son of Fate as being more a reference to a "twist of fate" than a "twist ending."The Dark 01:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are, I think, some hints of the variations (but not the main theme) of Pachelbel's Canon.

Musical References

I think a subsection needs to be made on this. It took me by surprise when I heard Beethoven's 8th piano sonata and Chopin's Op 68 Mazurka No. 3 to find the tunes were identical to those of Mephistopheles's Return and The Dreams of Candlelight respectively. I can identify most of the sections which are obviously references (although the track Beethoven still eludes me) but I'm curious if there were others I missed,. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.18.101 (talk) 00:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should have logged in to write the above, but anyway I added all the parts I can identify, but I get the feeling theres probably quite a bit more I missed. Woscafrench (talk) 17:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think there are a few more Beethoven Piano sonatas here. Also, the last 1/3 of X. has definitely got bits of Pachelbel's Canon in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.171.29 (talk) 06:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Faustian legend

Shouldn't the Category:Works based on the Faust legend be added to this article? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC) meph is actually the soul collector.. who guides the lost soul;s to either heaven or hell.. like a third party. the resoning behiond why he may have obtained his soul back is becuase to the unaware eyes of god and the devil.. meph has his own heaven/hell where he also collects souls for himself.. he uses dance as a way of portraying his grace and elagance,,, which may be why he would have made a deal with beethoven himself so that beethoven (one of the greatest composerrs of time)would have joined him in his world after life as a composer to an everlasting dance party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.137.73.196 (talk) 06:52, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removed reference

"After Beethoven's death, love letters from the composer were discovered inside his desk, addressed to his "immortal beloved", the identity of whom still remains a mystery. Both Therese Malfatti, one of Beethoven's students, and Countess Thérèse von Brunswick have been suggested as the mystery woman. "Many have speculated over whom might be the recipient, made more difficult by the fact that there is no year or place given on the letters. But [Maynard] Solomon, following Beethoven's date on the letters, his movement during the period (1812) and studying the persons close to Beethoven, has come to the solution that Antonie Brentano must be the answer, now generally accepted as being correct." http://home.swipnet.se/zabonk/cultur/ludwig/beeim.htm "

This is contradicted by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonie_Brentano

"Although Solomon's theory enjoyed a long vogue, it has been widely discredited by scholars such as Goldschmidt, Beahrs, Gail S Altman and Marie-Elisabeth Tellenbach. Solomon himself acknowledges that his evidence is at best circumstantial. As Beethoven enjoyed a deep friendship with Antonie Brentano's husband, it is unlikely that, given what is known about Beethoven's moral code, he could have engaged in an affair with a friend's wife. In addition, there is strong evidence that the relationship between Antonie and Franz Brentano was not as unsatisfactory as Solomon purports. [...] It was only recently that Solomon's Antonie hypothesis was finally and thoroughly refuted. The answer to this perennial question can be found already in the second part of Beethoven's famous Letter: [...]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F0E:C2F0:127D:FC53:D339:7978:6ABE (talk) 15:03, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]