Talk:Roman Inquisition

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Is there a reason not to combine Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and this article? Are they actually "different" offices, or has merely the name and possibly the focus changed? My Catholic history is somewhat lacking, and I'm not sure which would become the actual article title. -- nae'blis _(talk) 19:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Wonderful Film for Historic Reference

Film with numerous historian references:

Catholic Inquisition and The Torture Tools

60 min

Presented by former Roman Catholic Dominican Priest Richard Bennett The severity of torture and murder that took place under Papal authority during the 605 years of the Inquisition can now be revealed from the pages of history. From the beginning of the Papacy, until the present time, it is estimated by credible historians that more than 50,000,000, men and women have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy charged against them by Papal Rome. This Video contains actual photographs of some of the instruments of torture that were used. From John Dowling's The History of Romanism Book 8 Ch. 1, p 542-543, “From the birth of Popery in 600, to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty million of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than forty thousand religious murders for every year of the existence of Popery.” The main credible historians on the Inquisition, besides Dowling himself are Lea, Vancandard, Maycock, Coulton, Turberville and Scott’s Church History. The torture chambers of the Inquisition lasted 605 years and were found throughout the nations controlled by Rome. They had their beginning under Pope Innocent III in 1203 until the Inquisition's final dissolution in Spain and Portugal in 1808. The DVD documents as well twentieth century atrocities of the Vatican working with Roman Catholic dictators such as Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler; Francisco Franco in Spain, and Antonio Salazar in Portugal. The most brutal and bloodthirsty of all was Anton Pavelic in Croatia four-year reign of terror.

75.120.187.120 (talk) 18:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

John Dowling's The history of Romanism: from the earliest corruptions of Christianity to the present time is a mid 19th century source (1845) that reflects a prejudice of that era, e.g. the chapter quoted above is titled "Popery drunk with the blood of the saints".

The Roman Inquisition was a court with civil and canon law jurisprudence which did include a legal representative for the accused but the accused could be tortured to extract a confession in some cases. The authors mentioned above:

• Coulton (1929) The inquisition OCLC 644652729
• Henry (1887) A history of the Inquisition of the middle ages OCLC 55942539
• Maycock (1926) [1917] The Inquisition from its establishment to the great schism: an introductory study OCLC 551355226
• Scott (1826–1832) The history of the church of Christ: intended as a continuation of the work of Joseph Milner and Isaac Milner OCLC 717951036
• Turberville (1920) Medieval heresy & the inquisition OCLC 614721795
• Vancandard (1900) The Inquisition: a critical and historical study of the coercive power of the church OCLC 682113195

are all quite old and may not reflect modern scholarly works that started after the 1998 opening of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith archives to researchers. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 16:18, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Polish version

The Polish version of this subject has won an award. It is big - almost 400 references and lots of illustrations. While the machine translation is usually clear, it is often clumsy. It will take a lot of effort to produce a polished (pun) translation.104.173.68.20 (talk) 18:53, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

The Polish article is very informative. The Google translation is informative but it needs translation by a person – which will take a long time but will be a vast improvement over the existing English article. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 22:21, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

I can refine the machine translation, but I cannot provide translation. Sorry. :-)104.173.68.20 (talk) 18:30, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Example problem: "Cardinal Reginald Pole was one of the favorites conclave in 1549, but his chances among others buried accusations of heresy by the cardinals inquisitors." Without further study I cannot be sure whether "his chances" or the "accusations" were buried.104.173.68.20 (talk) 18:50, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

@104.173.68.20: I committed myself to help translate another article from English to Polish but am still at the stage of improving/verifying the references.

"Cardinal Reginald Pole was a favored [candidate] for the 1549 conclave, but his chances were buried by accusations, including heresy, made [against him] by cardinals' inquisitors." –BoBoMisiu (talk) 00:34, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

I am looking for references for the Polish version. My progress has been slow (and may soon stop). Even ISBNs are hard! OttoBib.com cannot find all of them. Google Scholar has been of some help, but verifying all the references will be difficult. The "appropriate" language for the topic is Italian, which will become quite evident looking for all the less-cited references. Google Translate modified an author's name; "Fosi" became "Moat" (throughout). :-)104.173.68.20 (talk) 22:12, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

@104.173.68.20: ping me and I will find the references slowly. We could create a {{draft}} to collaborate. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 22:20, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Find at Italian partner for real progress. Maybe among the Anglos, maybe among the Poles, maybe among the Latins. If you create a draft, I will drop my modest effort in. I do have a Polish friend (her parents came from the old country), but she has a teenager and a retired husband.104.173.68.20 (talk) 22:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

@104.173.68.20: a blank draft is at Talk:Roman Inquisition/21-March-2016-draft-translation. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 23:14, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

I am working the Bibliography (offline) with some vigor. I will help with references. Lack of Italian/Latin/Polish is limiting. I believe that Wikipedia documentation on editing has gotten worse over the years; it is not consistent.104.173.68.20 (talk) 17:27, 25 March 2016 (UTC)