Talk:Thylacine

Wikipedia:Unreviewed featured articles/2020/2004–2009

I read the article as part of the above drive. The article may need a featured article review, in due course, if the problems noted below aren't addressed.

• The lead doesn't summarise the article, it doesn't mention large topics in the body, for example the zoo animal Benjamin, cultural significance or Research.
• There is info in the lead not in the body - aboriginal names
• The lead mentions the water possum and should stay focussed on thylacine
• The lead is confusing, it writes bounties are generally blamed for the extinction - but the body writes the animal was already extinct on mainland Australia by the time Europeans arrived
• The lead is too short and interesting information such as the animal could open its mouth to 80 degrees is omitted.

Desertarun (talk) 12:18, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Be sure to review all comments above, and check archives for anything that may have gone unaddressed since Yomangani's departure from Wikipedia. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

• There either needs to be an explanation of where the name "Benjamin" came from, OR the name needs to be removed from the section title and from the figure captions. The current state is half-assed and confusing! --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:00, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

• The name "Benjamin" needs to be removed, apart from mentioning it as a persistent hoax/myth that has been conferred legitimacy through being uncritically accepted by mainstream sources - see: Stop calling the last thylacine Benjamin, Tasmanian tiger researcher says. Bahudhara (talk) 05:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

  Calls out Wikipedia as part of the myth. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

• When this article was promoted to FA it was 20Kb in size, now its 120Kb. I can do a lot of heavy lifting but the article is wholly unbalanced. It requires much of the cloning research and unconfirmed sections to be deleted, updating with new content, huge amounts of copyediting and all of the modern FA cricteria elements. I'm going to continue to try and save this, but I'm doubtful FA status is salvageable. Desertarun (talk) 21:06, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Looks like you're doing a good job, if you're willing to continue, I imagine it's ok to keep it from FARC in the meantime? FunkMonk (talk) 08:46, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not taking this to FAR myself, and it doesn't look like anybody else is interested at this time. I'm not sure when I'll move on from this article or how close it will be to the current FA standard when I move on. Its just a work in progress at the moment. Desertarun (talk) 09:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Regarding its extinction, the body of the article explains that it was probably extinct on the mainland 2,000 years ago, because of several possible factors, one of which may be competition from the dingo, which did not exist in Tasmania. In Tasmania, the additional factor, and almost certainly a major one in it's eventual extinction there, was the bounties paid by the government. That's a little bit complicated, and looking back at my wording there, probably hard to summarise for the lead. If someone can do it better than me, please do so.

• I've finished working on the article. I put in 200+ edits and all of the structural work was done. I don't believe it needs a FAR. I'm going to unwatch it now because I'm burnt out with it and don't want to do anymore. Desertarun (talk) 09:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Unless someone else has stuff to fix, I'll try to read the article and see if I find issues. FunkMonk (talk) 12:38, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Is this an WP:ELNO link (hosting without copyright permission)?

• https://web.archive.org/web/20130521142704/http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gregheberle/AdobePDF/Thylacine/ThylacinePaper2004-P1-5.pdf SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:24, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

There should be an explanation of what the species name "cynocephalus" means. LittleJerry (talk) 12:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

There's clearly still huge problems with the article to do with citations. I would support delisting. Hemiauchenia (talk) 09:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Conflict with Endlings

The current section about the last captive thylacine - which says the animal was female - is confusing and appears to contradict Endling#Mammals in regard to details such as the gender of the animal, and the name of the trapper who caught it. The Endlings article quotes a 2023 review which concludes that the last Hobart zoo thylacine was male.[1] Muzilon (talk) 00:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC) Muzilon (talk) 00:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Although both articles now seem confident that the last captive thylacine was male, it might be better to say that the matter remains contested. This source, also from 2023, argues that it was female, based on the researchers’ discovery of her probable remains. Jeminids1 (talk) 16:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2024

The thylacine died out in New Guinea and mainland Australia around 3,600–3,200 years ago, prior to the arrival of Europeans, possibly because of the introduction of the dingo, whose earliest record dates to around the same time, but which never reached Tasmania. Although research by a team at Adelaide University suggest that Dingoes had little to do with the mainland extinction of the Thylacine or other fauna and other factors were largely to blame. https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2013/09/dingoes-cleared-of-mainland-extinctions/ Leigh1967 (talk) 01:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC),  Not done Undue for the lead sentence, this issue is adequately discussed in the body. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Endling article conflict

The endling article directly contradicts the information about the last surving specimen, such as how it was caught, by whom etc. It appears to cite a study from 2023 which was undertaken to learn more about the last specimen. Should this not be corrected, or at least discussed? 81.109.89.141 (talk) 01:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Uh, I made exactly that point on this Talk page a couple of months ago (scroll up). That's why I added "contradiction" tags to the pertinent sections of both articles. Muzilon (talk) 01:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

palawa kani word

Looks like this one escaped but the decision was made (wisely) to remove the palawa kani word for thylacine from the headline but not from the text of the article. Invokris (talk) 09:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

National Threatened Species Day

These two sentences are poorly worded, I am unable to tell if it means the day has been celebrated since 1996 or if it has been celebrated on the 7th of September since 1996. The source makes it clear what is correct but the sentence needs to be rewritten to be more clear. Traumnovelle (talk) 01:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2024

Under the subheading ‘ Last of the species’ I would suggest the change “ The animal, a male,” to “ The animal, a female “ due to the findings of the 2022 audit of its remains. This change might necessitate some word changes in the Frank Darby section, such as “… Darby was referring to was a male at Hobart Zoo” for example.

As per the research of Robert Paddle and and Kathryn Medlock, and your listed reference #117. Thank you for considering this request. 60.240.229.154 (talk) 08:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)