Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Hall

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The result of the debate was MERGE. dbenbenn | talk 00:16, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The votes were: 4 keep, 6 merge, 5 delete. Since "delete" was in the minority, I've decided to interpret "delete" votes as meaning "delete or merge". The two positions are in agreement that the information at least shouldn't be here.

South Hall

Oldest building on campus. That doesn't seem notable enough to me. --LeeHunter 23:39, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This is a tough one. Certainly, the university is notable, but is this individual building? There's nothing I see in the article which makes me think it is. Perhaps there are significant events which happened here which made it notable, but if so, somebody's got to put them in the article to make it worthwhile. The age of the building isn't enough in my mind; it's worthy of a mention in the main university article (I assume there is one), but that's about it. The link to Sather Tower makes me wonder if somebody is thinking of writing articles for each and every building on campus. I'm going to call this a Weak Delete. --RoySmith 00:51, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Information seems accurate. Plenty of room for this to grow. Seems roughly parallel to Sather Tower, which started off quite similar but has developed into a nice article. - Jpo 01:05, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
Keep, seems verifiable. - SimonP 01:04, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Notable building. --Centauri 02:12, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Merge anything useful into the campus article. No redirect, as I'm sure this isn't the only "South Hall" in the world by a long shot. -R. fiend 04:32, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Merge with campus article. It's a nice building, but not especially notable. Sure, do articles on Bancroft Library, Sather Tower, Sproul Plaza, and maybe even Gilman Hall (in 1941, plutonium was first identified as an element in Room 307, and the room was declared a National Historic Landmark in 1966 [1]), but South Hall? Nah. --Calton 11:12, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Merge, no redirect as it is definitely not the most famous South Hall by a significant margin. If it is notable, what is it notable for? Average Earthman 16:35, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, which South Hall is the most famous? --RoySmith 16:44, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

- Oh, definitely the University of Wisconsin's South Hall, built in 1854, making it nineteen years senior to the California parvenu, yet only the second oldest building on the historic UW campus. (North Hall is the oldest). South Hall is the headquarters of the College of Letters and Science, a fabulous and colossal entity larger than many other entire universities, proudly boasting thirty-nine (39) top-notch departments and five (5) first-rate professional schools. South Hall is strategically located on the lovely glacial drumlin known as Bascom Hill, within a short distance of the famous Statue of Lincoln and the historic Sifting and Winnowing plaque. In springtime, the grounds surrounding the building afford excellent views of attractive young women disporting themselves on the green lawn. A firebombing during the era of campus protest thankfully left no visible scars on this elegant structure (apart from security mesh on the first-floor windows). Go Badgers! Dpbsmith (talk) 01:16, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- It's more the significant bit than whether it's the most famous or not. I'm happy with, say, Winter Palace pointing to the building in St Petersburg rather than any other Winter Palace, as it is significantly the most famous. Where there isn't a clear front runner in the notability stakes, we probably shouldn't hand out the title on a first come first served basis. Average Earthman 21:10, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Merge and delete. --fvw * 23:06, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC)
Merge and delete. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:16, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Merge and delete. There's lots of space for short notes about buildings on the University's own page right now. If the article does remain, it should be moved to South Hall (University of California) or something similar--a quick Googling reveals that Tufts University, the University of Arizona, Marquette University, and many others have their own South Halls. --TenOfAllTrades 04:31, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Would South Hall (University of California) be about South Hall at University of California, Santa Barbara or South Hall at University of California, Berkeley?
Delete. Gamaliel 16:17, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Some time during VfD this gem was somehow transformed into an article about a middle school in Georgia. Delete on the university building and strong delete on the middle school and its dress code. Szyslak 03:40, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Wow, that's bizarre. Unfortunately, I don't think either of them is notable, so my vote is still to delete (note: don't double-count this, my real vote is above). --RoySmith 03:48, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  - Update: Now it's an article about the London neighborhood of Southall, which has its own article. This article's like an extra Random Page button. There seems to be some stuff worth merging into the real Southall article, so we might want to do that before this article's deleted. Szyslak 20:38, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Delete this schizophrenic mess. Jayjg | (Talk) 01:07, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- The current version ought to be merged into Southall, which is a bit stubby right now, and the UC Berkeley version into that article. --Calton 02:47, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Process Issue. The Southall version rv-ed, as a fork and simply an impediment to the VfD under consideration. (Yes, merge the Southall material into Southall, and if its advocates want South Hall as a redirect (or maybe someday a Dab if a worthy South Hall comes along) they can ask for it after this VfD completes.

The middle-school one also rv-ed, as this title is not suitable for it. (Write an article like South Hall Middle School if you really have nothing better to do, and that will get its own day on VfD.)

The question at hand is whether UC's South Hall should have an article, and others for which this name is not the ideal one are irrelevant to that discussion. There is such a thing as a "save" on VfD, a rewrite that turns a deletable article into a keeper, but that requires a rewrite that deserves exactly the title under consideration; articles that might want or deserve redirect or Dab-link from it need not apply.

--Jerzy (t) 03:29, 2005 Jan 24 (UTC)

Delete. No evidence that the UC South Hall (already under this title upon VfD) is notable, and the others don't belong under this title (either) and are therefore not eligible as rewrites to "save" it. --Jerzy (t) 03:29 & 03:37, 2005 Jan 24 (UTC)
Keep. Wikipedia is not paper. Allow this article the opportunity for organic growth. GRider\^talk 19:23, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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