Talk:Old Prussians

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Every single external link on this page is a dead end with no content, can any fix this?

24.201.231.187 (talk) 01:19, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

 Fixed If any can IABot can! [1]: Noyster (talk), 22:24, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Bizarre sentence

Call me slow ~ go ahead, it's been done many times before ~ but i cannot for the life of me work out exactly what is meant by this sentence: At the beginning of Baltic history, the Old Prussians were bordered by the Vistula and the Memel – earlier Mimmel – river, which outside of Prussia is called Neman Rivers with a southern depth to about Thorn at the Vistula river, which was Prussian, and the line of the River Narew. I have gone back in the history to try and work out who added, what might have been meant, but it seems to have been there for ages. It might mean something like At the beginning of Baltic history, Old Prussians were bordered by the Vistula and Neman rivers (the Neman is also called the Memel, in German), as far south as Thorn, on the Vistula, but as i have no idea i'm not changing the article. If there is someone who knows, however, this portion of the article must be changed ~ if for no other reason than that it needs to be in good English: "southern depth" doesn't mean anything, and the phrase about the "line of the River Narew" is questionable. Cheers, Lindsay^Hello 08:51, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

It appears to be written in a dialect known as "English Wikipedia". Get used to it if you come here often...73.220.34.167 (talk) 21:35, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

More precisely: Get used to it if you plan to read articles that attract Polish nationalists. 2003:C8:F3C3:A6E3:5C1B:9B14:E57D:E4BF (talk) 14:59, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Attention experts

New page Prusi. Staszek Lem (talk) 21:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

who had assimilated the Old Prussians

Not all of them - some run away to Lithuania or died.Xx234 (talk) 09:28, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Why is Prakrit included?

Why is the Indian language, Prakrit, included among the languages in which the name for the Old Prussian appears? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RNajdek (talk • contribs) 15:53, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Who cares what Prussians were called in Prakrit, it's irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.183.6.63 (talk) 08:03, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Type Iesus Christus

... into Google Search and there is a nice article on Job (biblical figure).

Romowo or Ramowo?

What is the correct name of the capital of the Old Prussia? I find both Romowo and Ramowo.Aldrasto11 (talk) 01:26, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Confusing Customs

What is a 'commercial marriage' and what does 'submission' imply? "Commercial marriage was widespread and after the husband's death, the widow fell to the son, like other inheritance. In addition, polygyny (up to three wives) was widespread. Adultery was a serious crime, punishable with death. After the submission, commercial marriage and polygyny were forbidden." [emphases added]

'Commercial Marriage' does not appear to have a definition that I can find. Is this saying that marriage was seen as a commercial act, as in transactional relationships? If it is trying to say that bride-price is paid, to whom is it paid and why would that make the marriage 'commercial' in nature? I thought perhaps it was that wives were bought and sold, but the 'adultery' bit makes that unlikely. The inheritance part is also confusing, as the 'widow fell to the son' can, as written, imply incestuous marriage (not really common outside Greek tragedy). On the other hand, if the wives were treated like chattel, did their status vis-à-vis the inheriting son change from mother to slave?

The last sentence in the section is also confusing. 'After the submission' begs the question, who was submitting to whom? Contextually, it should mean that after a woman 'submits' as part of an adulterous act (the last noun that would work as an antecedent), women could no longer be part of whatever a commercial marriage may be, nor could they join a polygynous group. Later in the article, a brief mention is made about the Old Prussians 'submitting' to the Teutonic Order. Is that what the author was saying? Cheers, Last1in (talk) 21:54, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Picture of Catechism in Old Prussian

Does anyone have any verification of the authenticity of this book as being in Old Prussian?

The readable text on the cover reads "Catechisimus in preisßnisher sprach gecorrigieret und dagegen das deüdsche." (Catechism in Prussian language corrected and compared(?) to German.) (Sorry, can't figure how to type a long-s character.)

This is German, or a German dialect, not a Baltic language related to Slavic languages. Perhaps the Prussian referred to in the title is High or Low Prussian; it's not Old Prussian. Me94306 (talk) 16:10, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Prussians and Picts and their refusal to adopt or have Concepts unknown and the lack of historical information

seem very much like early families in the timeline of recorded history appear much the same way under Ceasar or Roman views and seem like families whom had very few actually known views or concepts both seem to blend into the surrounding tribes families and emerge as powerful entities whom adopt different concepts of others however the Prussians seem to continue on much longer and adopt much more powerful tribes under their names and live right on into modern day while the Picts stayed relatively independent until there leadership is extinguished by the Viking thus causing them to blend entirely into Scottish culture. Sources being Julius Caesars writings various historical Roma sources, Scottish historical sources, archeology of Scotland, various Prussian history of kings, Prussian sources of information leading up to Ww1, history of Prussian and Austrian conflict including WW2, history of rebellion of states within "German" Territories including religious Catholic and including Prussian Austrians struggles or rebellions seen by Prussians as Austrian agitation most Prussian territory was the result of such within Germany. As well as the rise of Prussia as a government against such agitation or the transformation from a entity of philosophical resistance to to a political party even as late as Ww1 we can see Austria removing troops of the eastern front from successes of Prussian leadership like Generalfeldmarschall Paul von Hindenburg and transfered to Bavarian leadership as a source of such information as a source leading to a relationship of early tribes whom refused to adopt such views and had very independent views and concepts a particular subject matter can not be given except a lack of general information on both parties known as the Picts and Prussians. 209.171.85.93 (talk) 16:48, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Indigenous?

Why does the lead call Old Prussian the Indigenous people of Prussia, while the lead references themselves say that Gothic tribes were the first settlers? Crainsaw (talk) 16:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC)