Talk:Off the Deep End

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September 20, 2010	Good article nominee	Listed

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Page move

This page was moved from "Off The Deep End" to "Off the Deep End" as per the naming convention set out at Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Album titles and band names – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Name

What's with the name "Off the Deep End"? Does it refer to the album cover? Scott Gall 10:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's a pun of Nirvana's cover, and a tounge-in-cheek reference to said cover. Gen. Quon 22:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cassette version

"Bite Me" WAS on the cassette version (at least in the US) I have it. Jbluez27 19:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was it after 10 minutes or just 30 seconds or something? I bought Off the Deep End on cassette (I have a collection) but it had Dare to Be Stupid in it. —Coastergeekperson 04^{'s talk}@Apr/23/08 04:52

"Bite Me" was NOT on my US cassette version, bought back on first release. It had no hidden track of any kind.--Woerkilt (talk) 05:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The Plumbing Song"

Track 10, "The Plumbing Song", contains the lyrics "Girl, you know it's true". This is most likely a subtle way of poking fun at Milli Vanilli about their 1989 album "Girl You Know It's True". (Should be mentioned by track description??)Coviti 22:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added some information on the track description, including this.Gen. Quon 22:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Album Cover Edited

I read in an April 2000 issue of "Al's Pals" fanzine, that Al orignal wanted a twinkie to be in place of his genitals (The Nirvana album cover shows a penis) but the label rejected it. Is this true?

I have never heard this. I assume it was a joke.--Gen. Quon (talk) 16:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unreleased Singles?

The article indicates that the album includes five singles, and that two of them were unreleased. What constitutes an unreleased single? Isn't its very release the sole characteristic of a single? (fumblepdi-at-yahoo-dot-com) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.245.208 (talk) 11:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The White Stuff" and "I Can't Watch This" were originally slated for release. Yankovic's record company, however, felt that these two songs were too dated to be released as single, even after they had made several boxes of promo singles. Yankovic and a fellow bandmember salvaged several of said singles, and they are often considered a rarity. therefore, technically, they are singles, just unreleased singles, and for completeness, they are being included in the "Singles" box, on this page, and on Yankovic's discography.--Gen. Quon (talk) 14:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bite Me

I haven't tested this yet, but I've read that if you rewind the song and slow it 3 times, you will hear a distorted version of Tears of the Earth by David Hallyday. Mashedpotatowithsomegravy (talk) 05:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's true. Open the song in sound recorder, reverse it and slow it down 300% (aka 3 times). The song begins at about 17 seconds into it. It was discovered on the official "Weird Al" forums. http://www.weirdalforum.com/forum/ --Gen. Quon (talk) 21:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Section

Someone removed the section I wrote about the recording of the album and the refused parody ideas, even though I had sources stated. I would like to state that the info is relevent to the page, is cited, and should be kept. If someone can give me reason why it shouldn't I'll remove it, but until then, I'm leaving it!--Gen. Quon (talk) 21:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear writing

"After waiting for about a year for the "next big thing" to come out, Yankovic went on a slight hiatus in order to find the right lead-off parody/single."

This phrasing sounds redundant, awkward and wordy. If Weird Al is trying to find the right leading track for an existing project, then he's not taking a hiatus--he's still working! Or, if "waiting around for about a year" is to be taken literally, then by finding the lead-off Al had resumed work, not suspended it. Also, waiting for a big thing to come around and "finding" it sounds too similar to me.--Woerkilt (talk) 05:30, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Statement not supported by the citation

"Airline Amy" is described as being a style parody of Nick Lowe and Jonathan Richman. The citation for that is a Q&A in which Al said that the song was inspired by songs by Nick Lowe and Jonathan Richman. The fact that it was inspired by their songs does not make it a style parody. In the interests of full disclosure I will note that I am a huge Nick Lowe fan and am casually familiar with Jonathan Richman, and I don't hear how it sounds like a style parody. But more important than what my ears tell me (or don't tell me) is that the statement by Al does not support the claim. I think that the claim should be removed, or at least modified to say that it was inspired by songs by... rather than that it's a style parody of... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.136.153 (talk) 10:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's the exact same meaning. Style parody, style cover, inspired by... etc.--Gen. Quon (talk) 03:26, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Off the Deep End/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: -- Cirt (talk) 04:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of September 14, 2010, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: WP:LEAD subsection is a little too short, this should be expanded. Recording and release - this should be broken up into two separate subsections, and the very very short paragraphs should be merged into larger paragraphs.

2. Factually accurate?: I am going to be adding some {{fact}} tags that need to be addressed soon.

3. Broad in coverage?: Covers major areas, good subsection organization and good overall article structure.

4. Neutral point of view?: Material presented in neutral manner, yes.

5. Article stability? Stable upon inspection of recent article edit history. No recent issues upon inspection of talk page.

6. Images?: One image used, appropriate fair use rationale given, on image page.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far.— -- Cirt (talk) 04:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've been working on this...

1. Well written?: I work on the subsection as per WP:LEAD. Recording and release - I split this into multiple sections and merged paragraphs per your suggestions.

2. Factually accurate?: I fixed all of the tags and added citations where they were needed.

6. Images?: I think I can get a few more to illustrate and make it look nice.

--Gen. Quon (talk) 02:35, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No more images needed, that was a check saying that part is okay. :) -- Cirt (talk) 02:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I see! I fixed the lead as per WP:LEAD, and re-arranging it so that it summarizes the article without going overboard.--Gen. Quon (talk) 03:00, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, will have another look to re-evaluate soon, a bit busy workin on an article currently up for deletion at WP:AFD... -- Cirt (talk) 03:19, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, thanks for addressing suggestions, passing as GA. -- Cirt (talk) 10:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC) Having not seen a correction made, and having seen no response here, I corrected the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.136.153 (talk) 20:05, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Off the Deep End/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Article requirements:

Y All the start class criteria
Y A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details
Y At least one section of prose (excluding the lead section)
Y A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs
Y A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians
Y Categorisation at least by artist and year
Y A casual reader should learn something about the album.Andrzejbanas (talk)

Missing song authorship, and could be expanded in some areas. Like receptions, sales, how this album effected yankovic's career. Overall pretty good, just add a sentance above the tracklisting that "All Songs by Weird Al" or whoever they are credited to boost this to B. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 02:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC). Substituted at 01:43, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Don Henley style parody

I just saw Al in concert and he told a story about how he wanted to write When I Was Your Age as a style parody of Don Henley as a grumpy old man. That, coupled with the fact that it borrows a lot from "Dirty Laundry" leads me to believe that's true. However, I can't find an actual 'in print' reference. Is the concert banter enough to make it official? Peterrisser (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's a really cool find! If you can find a recording of the show, I think it'd work, but as of right now, since it hasn't been published and can't be verified, I don't think it'd hold up.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 20:06, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Peterrisser: Do you remember when the show was that Al said this? Since the concerts are all streamable through this site, I think we can add that in as a source.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 14:35, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was Only Kidding

I've never heard anything by Tonio K so I'm not arguing that this song sounds like something of his or not, but it also sounds a lot like some of the stuff that Ted Nugent put out in the mid to late '80s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FiggazWithAttitude (talk • contribs) 18:58, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cheech Marin

I have read (in Discogs, so no reliable Source), that Cheech Marin appears on the Song "Taco Grande" as Guest - can this be confirmed? -- 62.216.207.181 (talk) 19:05, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That is correct, and it is mentioned in the "Production" section, with a little bit of extra info, too: "The latter features a cameo appearance from comedian Cheech Marin. Originally, Yankovic had wanted Marin to rap in Spanish, but it turned out that Marin knew only some basic Spanish. However, a bilingual secretary translated what Yankovic wanted him to say from English to Spanish and Marin read the resulting rap phonetically."--Gen. Quon (Talk) 19:38, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

uhhh

is the ear booker logo not a reliable source?? it is clear that the audio is Bite Me, it only takes like 3 seconds to notice it is the song. ._. Wikisplat (talk) 18:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wikisplat! Sorry if my edits seemed curt. For something like this, the best sourcing would be a reliable secondary source to prove that the mention is notable. If we went the primary source route, I don't think a YouTube video is going to pass muster. Maybe a DVD or something more 'official'?--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 18:52, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a weird al show DVD, nor a dvd player yet.

But, there are multiple captures of the Ear Booker logo on YT showing the logo, which has the Bite me audio. Wikisplat (talk) 16:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]