Talk:Perfect season

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This is the original content of the article (at the time termed "The Perfect Season", complete with quotation marks):

The Perfect Season is a term used to describe the 1972 Miami Dolphins football team. They went undefeated (17-0) and capped it off with a 14 -7 win over the Washington Redskins in Super Bowl 7. They were the first team in NFL history to go undefeated and no other team has been able to duplicate this feat. The 1985 Chicago Bears came close, losing only one game that season to, believe it or not, the Miami Dolphins.

It seemed to me that this said nothing substantive that wasn't in the article on the Miami Dolphins. It could I suppose be used within an article on "Perfect seasons" (in all sports, in all nations). -- Hoary 05:08, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I agree with that last idea, but until someone is willing to write that article, it's silly to have an article like this. I just redirected it to Miami Dolphins in the meantime. --zenohockey 01:55, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Good move. Hoary 02:55, 2005 Jan 3 (UTC)

It doesn't look like the St. Joseph's season is a perfect season, it looks more like propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.221.134.43 (talk) 17:02, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

A full list is now up including those with perfect seasons including the playoffs and those who nearly had a perfect season. St. Joseph's Hawks had a perfect regular season but not into the playoffs, it appears. - Taospark (talk) 00:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Remove teh '07 Patiots

Just another pretender. But definitely the worst 18-1 team of all time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.159.87 (talk) 14:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

The worst 18-1 team is still a team that goes here, sorry. - Taospark (talk) 06:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Perfect _losing_ season

Does anybody have some info on that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.56.198.223 (talk) 14:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The 2007 Miami Dolphins are 1-14 right now and if they drop the next game, will be fairly close. I haven't heard of any 0-14 or 0-16 teams but it's possible in the pre salary cap days. - Taospark (talk) 02:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Alright, the 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers have that honor although it was during the 14 game regular season. There have been 10 other teams that have gone 1-13 or 1-15 since the NFL merger in 1970. - Taospark (talk) 03:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

The 0-14 Bucs were an expansion team then. In mean time, the honors for being perfect losers went to the salary-capped 2008 Lions for going 0-16 (after winning all preseason games, similar to the 1972 Dolphins losing all). Rumor has it the toothless Lions meet to drink champagne after the final winless team scores a W. -- Matthead  Discuß   02:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Should Shula's criticism of the 2007 Patriots be included?

In a nutshell, Shula said that the Patriots' perfect record should "come with an asterisk" due to the Spygate scandal earlier in 2007. Should I include this or would it be creating a potential edit war between football fans on the issue? I'll leave it here as a note if someone else wants to include a mention of this.

References are here and here. - Taospark (talk) 00:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I've deleted the section on the "spygate" incident under the 2007 Patriots, under the logic that the "spygate" incident is better placed in the article about the 2007 Patriots' season.

In other words, looking only at their record, the Patriots had a perfect season in 2007. If a reader is interested further, he/she can read about their season in that article. I don't think this article is the place for criticism or comment about any of the teams involved except in very substantial circumstances --- for instance, if the NFL had overturned the results of the game, or something along those lines. As it is, the game in question went down as a win for the Patriots, and they ultimately kept their record. - 72.128.89.194 (talk) 08:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikepedia was created to detail "facts" about subject(s). The 2007 season for the New England Patriots has a laundry list of "facts" In the section termed, "Perfect Season," facts about the matter should be documented. It is the 'perfect forum' to detail the facts about the 2007 season with direction or links to additional information. Let's not eliminate crucial amd critical facts in this section to create a 'perfect picture' when such a blurring 'fact' of the matter is present. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.227.92 (talk) 19:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree completely, but any criticism or controversy related to the 2007 Patriots' season (perfect or otherwise) has to do more with the 2007 Patriots (who happened to have a perfect season) than the subject of a perfect season in general (of which the 2007 Patriots are just one of several teams from many different sports). 209.83.112.209 (talk) 20:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

2007 New England Patriots did not have a Perfect Season

In the end, it should be edited that only the 72 Dolphins went undefeated. Being undefeated in the regular season means nothing. --66.229.89.202 (talk) 04:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree...they should probably be moved to the first entry in the "almost perfect" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.191.202 (talk) 05:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I second that. You must separate the Dolphins as the only team with a complete perfect season. The Patriots had a perfect REGULAR season, which, we all agree, is not a perfect season at all as they went 18-1, losing the final game (that really matters).201.86.144.110 (talk) 05:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree the Patriots did not have a full "perfect" season they lost one game and now need to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.83.11 (talk) 01:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I've felt this too. "Perfect season" encompasses the regular season and postseason. The 2007 New England Patriots season article is about the entire season. This is what Perfect Season means. The Dolphins should be the only team included here.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 01:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

They've been moved down to the Perfect Regular Season section alongside the Bears and Browns who did the same already so that should do it for any sports fan slapfights over the category.- Taospark (talk) 06:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

NC State 1973: Perfect

Before anyone gets their knickers in a bunch over the inclusion of NC State's 1973 season under college basketball, be it noted that they accomplished perfection, even if they didn't win the national championship, in that they won every game they played. Just because a team was deemed ineligible for postseason competition doesn't mean they didn't have the perfect season. Wjmorris3 (talk) 19:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

There was a sub-section before for teams that had perfect regular seasons but didn't make it all the way. But it's not a big deal right now because no one has their knickers over it, at least until March. -68.237.91.154 (talk) 12:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

"Other North American sports leagues"

This article is called "Perfect Season", not "List of best seasons in professional sports". Therefore, surely we must treat achievements like the 1998 Yankees' 125-50 season or the 1995-96 Red Wings' 62-win season as irrelevant and remove them from the article. Aspirex (talk) 13:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Perfect season for pitchers

The top of this article defines a perfect season as "going unbeaten and untied through the season" - in other words, winning every game played. Is it fair, on the same basis, to say that a pitcher can qualify for a "perfect season" when many of his results are no-decision. By analogy with a tied game, that pitcher as failed to win the game if he has a no-decision. Aspirex (talk) 14:31, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm no expert on baseball, but I don't think a no-decision is really equivalent to a tie. The inadequacy of the the win–loss record for comparing pitchers is exactly the reason the save and hold statistics were created. cmadler (talk) 15:43, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Sparta Prague 2009/2010 season

Well, season wasn't perfect, but they didn't lose. 30 matches = 16w, 14d. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.95.253.60 (talk) 13:41, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Early perfection

What about teams that, once they secured home field advantage for the playoffs, choose to rest their starters in the remaining game(s)? The 2009 Colts could be an example, 14-0 just like the 1972 Dolphins. Being good enough to be able to do that is kind of perfect, too. The dumbest thing is probably to go for a perfect regular season while risking injuries to players and an early exit in the playoffs. -- Matthead  Discuß   02:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Soccer

There is an incorrect claim regarding Germany's performance in the 2007 women's soccer world cup. While they did not concede a single goal, they did draw once against England in the group phase, thus technically falling short of a narrow definition of a perfect season. Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:59, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Add NCAA womens Hockey

There is no section for NCAA women's Ice hockey (US college), where the 2012-2013 University of Minnesota team was Unbeaten and Untied(though two playoff games did go to OT) National champions, and the 2015-2016 Boston College were unbeaten and untied through the regular season, before losing the title game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.230.104.26 (talk) 00:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)